Without Russia the world of the Internet?
Today, 12 February the state Duma is considering in the first reading a bill to create a virtually isolated from the Internet network Runet. There is a perception that this will happen quite forcefully and the final decision can be made even before the summer recess of Parliament. Do not raise the question of what, in General, joy this will bring all Russians, and you want to imagine in what W gets the vast majority of gamers. For example, in my Steam library and other foreign online stores approximately 200 bought in a long time, games. If, for example, take the average current cost for 300 rubles, then my losses will amount to 60,000 rubles. Anyway, it's a collection created by certain works. I may be wrong, thinking that all of this goes out the window? In question and that the only effective card is the card payment system World, and VISA and Master Card will be covered with a copper basin. BUKA will be exclusive? There is a prospect, as in the ' 90s to catch the stalls of the games in the boxes?Nameless 77
Just don't see the option that you suddenly cut off from the world (talking about Internet). Why? It'll hurt the business, the days of the USSR are long gone. You live in a different Russia already for a long time, sometimes you have more freedom even than in the West, lol =]
But if about individual cases, such and *there* enough, just rarely hear *there*...
A. Soldier of Light
Well, you compare how it was in the 00's, a lot of liberties as gradually, little by little introduce all impossible, and what we have to the 19th year. And then the standard of living there, falls. And an increasing number of shit-propaganda, it would seem that the bottom has been reached and there are more and more nonsense that only really well done jacket believe. Well, according to insulation parts are the same, introduced some substitution and some quite delusional destruction of the products from the side. I have the feeling that you actually try all of the criteria approach as much as possible to North Korea.
Nurp wrote:
THE LAW ON THE PROTECTION OF THE RUNET IN CASE PINDOS CUT OFF RUSSIA'S INTERNET.
Seriously? You could list the sites which are blocked by US authorities for Russian citizens and for comparison, a list of sites that are blocked to citizens of the Russian Federation, the Russian government?
A. Soldier of Light wrote:
Just can do the Internet is Autonomous from the rest of the world, if necessary,
And why do it offline?
Nameless 77
Stop whining and escalate the situation, no one is cut off because the whole country, the whole business of etc are tied to the world wide web. The deputies themselves in the foot will not shoot, especially when they themselves have any business. (pity that's the only reason)
userlkj80 wrote:
And why do it offline?
To the Internet continued to function in the event of war with the West.
xxxDiabloNeroxxx
What specific business it is possible examples?) Oil, gas and wood without Internet to sell successfully. What else has a large business focused on foreign markets and promoted through the Internet? And medium-sized business can never to discuss, given the fact that he is strangled by taxes and bureaucracy.
A. Soldier of Light
Why vegetable garden? Then, the Internet poses a threat to the Western propaganda and terrorism. Is our government serious topic. And the fact that freedom of expression more than in the West... Well, we are working in this direction!). Last week literally left the law on the punishment for insulting the authorities, for example).
Nameless 77
The world is a little more complicated than you think. And it would not have been strangled by taxes and bureaucracy, small and medium business - this does not negate the fact that it exists. No one will disconnect us from the global web - less need to listen to any bulk and I'm even more than sure that us will not dare to disable it because in this case many companies will lose huge chunk of the market, especially the swinging of digital goods stores like steam, the Apple store, playmarket, etc. the Law was adopted just in case and nothing more (which is actually correct, for it is better to be prepared than for the mind to grasp when the rooster will peck in one place). But in fact it is necessary to discuss other problems such as the retirement age and increasing taxes is the real problem.
xxxDiabloNeroxxx
Strangled the small and medium business shows us is that the authorities, he is clearly not a priority. And to think about possible losses in this area no one will.
Navalny and other I do not listen to the idea for fear of Internet freedom is on the surface.
The question again, and if United States generally us off? No expert gave an accurate answer to this question, and the authorities themselves including.
Companies like Apple and Google are very unlikely to have any influence in matters of national interests, their lobbyists are powerless here I suppose (and by the way, remember the situation with Crimea and stim).
And in fact, there was no such precedent, when the us or someone disconnected. Even after elections, they have a President when Russian hackers were at all on hearing, none of the isolation of Runet didn't even stutter. And then suddenly when the situation has softened, spoke about the threat of disconnection, the likelihood of which no one even substantiated, hmm...
And again: who told you that the law was adopted purely just in case and nothing more? Where such confidence? That will raise the retirement age, no one believed. And then received a blow to the nuclear electorate and the support of the current government - the people of retirement and pre-retirement age. Contrary to common sense.
A. Soldier of Light wrote:
To the Internet continued to function in the event of war with the West.
While the patriots have real estate, Bank accounts and children in the West, there will be no war. Yes, and for war with the West, no collection needed. Autonomy is needed, what would have happened in North Korea.
77 Nameless wrote:
Why vegetable garden?
And is it fenced? How to be if you will decide to extricate all of a sudden?
77 Nameless wrote:
Then, the Internet poses a threat to the Western propaganda and terrorism
A stereotypical view, I might add. The idea is that residents must be trained from school to think critically and to be able to analyze the information to avoid becoming a victim of any propaganda and nonsense, including psychics and fraudsters of any breed. Let the Western canoe is to the people of Russia: IF the authorities are afraid of Western influence or another Biden, it means, lol that they think people are stupid herd ^_^ May be a solution to the problem would not ban everything, and the training of residents to be able to analyze the info and events? Remove from world Outlook stereotypes to begin with, to increase logic and objectivity.
However, this is not the topic of Autonomous Runet. Offline the Internet, and this is my personal opinion, his point is that the Internet is in principle continued to operate in the case of Western attempts to isolate Russia from the outside world. Russia has no such levers of influence on the West, by the way. And I think that how it would be possible to prepare in advance.
The question why is meaningless: we must be prepared for malicious actions. Otherwise I'll ask you: what for you army?... ;]
xxxDiabloNeroxxx wrote:
I'm even more than confident that the us will not dare to disable it because in this case many companies will lose huge chunk of the market
In the event of serious and not phony (a mythical hybrid), the war with the United States, the latter is not only the Internet tries to cut off, but everything that is physically possible. Because in this war the parties do not trade with each other )
xxxDiabloNeroxxx wrote:
The law was adopted just in case and nothing more (which is actually correct, for it is better to be prepared than for the mind to grasp when the rooster will peck in one place).
That's it, to be ready for anything.
77 Nameless wrote:
the law was adopted purely just in case and nothing more? Where such confidence?
Just logic.
77 Nameless wrote:
That will raise the retirement age, no one believed. And then got
Here I agree, strange time. Global issue around the country and without a referendum. It is wrong.
userlkj80 wrote:
Autonomy is needed, what would have happened in North Korea.
Provided that in North Korea will happen very soon. If this does not happen, if the bill and the law is passed, and in North Korea not going to happen... if your Runet after the adoption of the law and other procedures will continue to operate as now, you admit they were wrong? 8)
I see the purpose of this initiative in the following: just in case to be prepared for possible attempts to influence on the Russian Internet. And while your collection in North Korea, you are wrong ;] Now, what a joke.
A. Soldier of Light
A. Soldier of Light wrote:
Let the Western canoe is to the people of Russia: IF the authorities are afraid of Western influence or another Biden, it means, lol that they think people are stupid herd ^_^
All the people may not believe, but for children and adolescents really need to worry.
A. Soldier of Light
And is it fenced? How to be if you will decide to extricate all of a sudden?
And this is possible in principle? To start I would like to get a definite answer from the experts, and then decide. However, the answer is no, and the adoption of the law is already in full swing.
A stereotypical view, I might add.
This is not my opinion, I forgot to add, and the opinion of our authorities. Which by the way may be cause for action, if there is a desire to enclose and control the Runet. And let it sit on a short leash, like echo of Moscow or Semin, and that's how it uncomfortable).
Can be a solution to the problem would not ban everything, and the training of residents to be able to analyze the info and events? Remove from world Outlook stereotypes to begin with, to increase logic and objectivity.
And where they teach critical thinking? What school, what in the world?)
IF the authorities are afraid of Western influence or another Biden, it means, lol that they think people are stupid herd
Not a dumb herd, and inexperienced youth)
The question why is meaningless: we must be prepared for malicious actions. Otherwise I'll ask you: what for you army?... ;]
Well, with the army, all clear, all on the surface. And precedents, when the presence of the army was justified by the huge number, and in this case?
Just logic
Well, here's an example: we will soon need to raise the level of life - was such a statement from someone in that year. And then BAM, raising the retirement age, raising VAT, another increase in gasoline prices, and in addition introduced a pilot tax for the self-employed. Is it logical? My no. And then perhaps, the mind tells you one thing and actually be another. Only one logic in such matters will not get).
77 Nameless wrote:
And this is possible in principle?
Don't know how it looks like the current Internet. But judging by the rumors, perhaps), the data Streams go through the US seems to be, where the Internet was born...
77 Nameless wrote:
To start I would like to get a definite answer from the experts
I agree.
77 Nameless wrote:
However, the answer is no, and the adoption of the law is already in full swing.
We can assume that the experts they know. In addition, they say, the Russian military ordered the case, so I'm sure everyone knows exactly...
77 Nameless wrote:
And where they teach critical thinking?
In the USSR when Stalin was in school, a subject of logic therefore it was removed ) But Yes, do not know where you learn this particular. As a rule, critical thinking is taught by a parent or myself teach. And it's wrong, the school and the school ought to teach it. Learning to think like a Man, learning to live, in short, as a Reasonable Person, and not a cog in the mechanism.
77 Nameless wrote:
Not a dumb herd, and inexperienced youth)
Not suitable for: the elderly are not young 8)
77 Nameless wrote:
The question why is meaningless: we must be prepared for malicious actions
© common sense.
77 Nameless wrote:
And then BAM, raising the retirement age, raising VAT, another increase in gasoline prices, and in addition introduced a pilot tax for the self-employed. Is it logical? In my opinion no
Probably not? I'm not an economist )
May compose and sign, but it is doubtful that the law will come into force. Given that vehicles and belong to the overseas manufacturer in the first place it will hit all updates from programs to drivers. I don't think there's a Russian Microsoft. If we consider Russia as a country of fools, don't forget to withdraw money from all accounts!
Who told you that Russia wants to disconnect from the global Internet? Almost always wrote that want to strengthen local if Russia wants to turn off. Disable not just because are cable everywhere, but in theory can put pressure on countries to block the Internet, because Russia - the terrorists.