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denesco 20.07.20 11:02 pm

Cant in the story (discussion) (Metro Exodus)

Recently began to replay the Exodus and caught the one story school, which I had not noticed before. It comes to stations jamming in Moscow.
Jamb serious because, in our real life, things are different than the authors wanted.
Quote from Wikipedia:
Electronic reconnaissance — the gathering of intelligence on the basis of receiving and analyzing electromagnetic radiation. Electronic reconnaissance is used as the intercepted signals from the communication channels between humans and technical means, and the signals operating the radar stations, radio stations and other electronic equipment.
In other words, radiolucency give their location when working and, of course, nothing can mask. With the same success, it would be possible to mask Moscow fireworks.
And the right would just quibbling, but for so many years, no military, working on most of these jamming, didn't ask a question what we're masked, if it is, the most that neither is radioizluchenie, their mother's leg?!
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Rolemanser 20.07.20

denesco
And what you wanted ETOGES Dimka wrote the story, and he kukuha really gone and not just once.

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Givemethedust 20.07.20

I would like to see the answer more or less competent radio operator. It seems to me that it is not so simple. The idea was suppressed by the incoming and outgoing signals, so Moscow didn't hear anyone and Moscow, no one heard

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zirack 20.07.20

denesco wrote:
radiolucency give their location when working and, of course, nothing can mask.
Strange question of what it means to give?
Station jamming hammer noise any signal coming from any radar. Exposure may be protective, at all frequencies at once, or aiming for a certain frequency and certain range. It is possible to identify its location, i.e., square as sonar during the initial pulse, just what are you going to suppress it. It is necessary to drag the artillery, from conventional blanks, and to peel on the square. A pleasure bombing, but it is necessary to start to overcome the defenses.

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denesco 20.07.20

zirack
If the idea is to hide the very existence of any residual life in the destroyed Moscow, the presence of the work of radioizluchenie, with her hand, completely contradicts this. Bearing is a passive means of radio-location.

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denesco 20.07.20

Givemethedust
Radioclassica rewrites signal with your own signal on the frequency that is configured to work. That's just to rewrite the air, her own need to publish, the overwhelming power of the radio signal.

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zirack 20.07.20

denesco wrote:
If the idea is to hide the very existence of any residual life in the destroyed Moscow
It was not, it was an excuse. The purpose of the jamming was that the inside Moscow, no one knew what it was like outside.

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NightHawkreal 20.07.20

denesco
So not Moscow was hiding, but did not give catch signal outside, so that the people thought that no one was there.

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denesco 20.07.20

NightHawkreal
zirack
denesco wrote:
And the right would just quibbling, but for so many years, no military, working on most of these jamming, didn't ask a question what we're masked, if it is, the most that neither is radioizluchenie, their mother's leg?!
Not believe that among 4,5 thousand people working in the jamming, nobody was asking myself obvious questions.

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Alexander_Vesker 20.07.20

Electronic suppression (RAP) is organized and conducted in order to disrupt command and control and air defense weapons and enemy aircraft by acting on the systems and controls of the enemy's electronic interference, the use of decoys and traps, misleading transmission of messages, signals and commands to the communication lines of the enemy.



The primary method of jamming is the creation of active and passive electronic jamming means for air and ground units (detachments) and electronic warfare aircraft electronic warfare systems installed on airplanes, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles, missiles and other military equipment, as well as using cast jamming transmitters.

The transmission of misleading messages is generally carried out in the communication lines of the enemy during combined arms, air and naval combat. At the same time, respecting the rules of radio communication of the enemy, passed about the commands and signals, including about the change of combat missions and units, the transfer (termination) of artillery fire and air strikes on objects and purposes, the changing of the operating frequency, change the modes of operation of radio electronic means of the enemy, and other misleading information.

Includes electronic countermeasures for radio countermeasure, optical-electronic suppression and acoustic suppression.

Radio countermeasure (RP) is the failure of means and systems of communication (radio, radio-relay, tropospheric and satellite), radar, radio navigation and control arms of the enemy by exposure to electromagnetic radiation (electronic interference), the use about radar targets traps, transmitting misleading messages to the radio network (radioupravlenie) of the enemy.

Measures electronic countermeasures carried out in close conjunction with the actions of the armed forces and special forces to defeat (destruction, capture, disable) control points and electronic objects, with activities in exploration, operational camouflage and other types of operational and combat support.

Under electronic facility means the totality of electronic means of ground, air, sea, space-based, used for the control of troops, weapons, reconnaissance and electronic warfare and posted at the command post (control center) in a certain area or on a specific military vehicle.



Electronic objects of the enemy due to the suppression means of interference of parts of the EW are subject to jamming. The objectives of the RFI are the lines of communication between the objects of a separate jamming and electronic warfare.

Under the objective refers to a manned or unmanned object of the enemy, to be defeated or radio countermeasure. Air the purpose of applying for intelligence, weapon control, and radionavigation of radio electronic means is subject to jamming, and its on-Board radio-electronic means - the purposes of interference.

To conduct jamming intelligence necessary information about the objects jamming and interference order: the composition of the radio networks, radio relay and space communications, their identity; working and spare frequencies, their shifts; used transmissions, callsigns correspondents, rules addressing messages; the composition and current coordinates vodochnykh goals, altitude and direction of their flight; the nature of the on-Board radio-electronic means and other data.

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denesco 20.07.20

By the way. How much more profitable to keep people in katakombakh than fertile soil? Why is the tip of the Hanseatic League, did not accept the version as in Novosibirsk, OSKOM? Not screwed into the sunset with all privatized good? Do not believe that the authorities of the Hanseatic League used to live underground with the others. There were over already. Remember a conversation between 2 doctors in the infirmary VDNKH, Artyom as soon as the transfusion is done. Logic was deprived not only of physics but of common sense.

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zirack 20.07.20

denesco
Who asked, and those allowed to flow as visitors. Showed this on the example of Artem.

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NightHawkreal 20.07.20

denesco
There, the driver began to ask and remained alive only because it is much needed.

Hansa pawns that do what they say dad.

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denesco 20.07.20


Found here in a textbook. Suddenly panatone will be...

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denesco 20.07.20

NightHawkreal
What about the rumors? In so discharged from the information environment, the rumors would spread instantly. No TV, no Newspapers, some books and all. Or everyone who worked in the towers were not allowed back on the subway? Then, where did they live?

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NightHawkreal 20.07.20

denesco
Well, most specifically brain washed, so they're behind every Bush spy seen. And in the book everyone who these jokes are built, when finished, laid down the nearest ravine.

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denesco 20.07.20

NightHawkreal
Knowing Russian mentality, this would be quite a ride. However, Miller had access to this information more than six months, but did not suspect, and he's a Colonel, not a greenhorn wet behind the ears, I had immediately to think that it's not pure. And if you did, what did not try to organize an escape? Decided to leave his Anku at the mercy of the Hanseatic League, happen with that?

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NightHawkreal 20.07.20

denesco
The book read, there is even steeper.

Miller soldier, he's on orders not think.

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denesco 20.07.20

NightHawkreal
And Idiot? He also? To Yamantau he would be absolutely sure that Moscow no one is hiding. So much time, and man is it well-read, just realized.

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zirack 20.07.20

denesco wrote:
but nothing was suspected, and he's a Colonel
Had. He generally was aware of his brains and washed combat a task of special importance, saving the survivors from the adversary. A typical Jingo in General. ))
In General I agree, the story of the cranberry bend. So it is not unique, too many cranberries, and even politics dragged.

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denesco 20.07.20

zirack
So also all sewn with white thread.
Just a trip into the brain of the Colonel the idea that he's guarding radioizluchenie, and he would have the thought would not have escaped.