Serials

[Quote name = "SuperFedya"] From some yuzvery (you yourself borrow someone) of the current and it is heard that "some serials a la Slave Izaura" and they have it always "bad".

Well Duc, I thought so, if only such games as Stranger, Aiko, Psychonauts and the same Foul. If only these games came out under a different name, the name of a well-known brand. As a result, additional hundreds of thousands (millions?) Of players would play these masterpieces, and the developers would receive a well-deserved profit, and 100% would please us with the sequels.
Who is the thread of the "eternal critics" can clearly explain why this is bad?

Or is it bad that the current will mainly invest in serials BIG money?

And are they serials?
MGS 1-2-3
The first part came out in September 1998, MGS3 came out in November 2004.
As many as 3 parts in a little more than 7 years! Yes, a true series, Santa Barbara is resting :-D

FF 5-X-2
FF5 was released in 1992, X-2 at the end of 2003.
That is, 7 parts (unique 6) in 12 years. Even worse than MGS, this is a real soap opera! Despite the fact that in each unique part, almost everything is different from the previous one, and when the fifth part came out, many of the critics were still running under the table.

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Actually, as you can see, game series come out very often, almost every day: gigi:
So everyone is already tired of them. Therefore, I propose to boycott ALL TV shows in general!
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Strange how you expressed it ... in general, you do not understand whether you like the series or not ... at first you write that a lot of money is invested in them ... and then that everyone is tired of them ... where are your criteria for a "series"? Term? Or a Hero? Or the world? Or Gameplay? or something else?
In general, up to and including ff in the text - you are for the series ... as I understand it ... but about boycotting - is this your proposal or "a kind of evil answer to users who think that serials are not good"?

MGS - This is primarily a plot-rich action game ... uniquely relative, remember all the twists and turns of at least 1 part ... Plus your gameplay ... and much more ... series of course are needed! Otherwise, how else will we see those games that we like? Under a new name? What's the point? After all, everyone already knows and believes with the old one! the current changed the number and that's it ...

FF - each part is unique, correctly said and could have come out separately, each under a different name, BUT ... There is a brand that is popular, people believe it! they know every trace of FF - that's great ... 10 could be called like "Eternity Sins" (c) $ Mag ^ - ^ 7 for example - "Lifestream" .... well, it doesn't matter! But they have real money for real projects, which they carefully and diligently prepare for us! The 12th final is being developed - at least 3-4 years! therefore realities ... it is an empty phrase ... in relation to at least these projects!

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[quote name = "SuperFedya"]
Including:
1) Fallaut 3
2) Warcraft 4
3) AoE3
4) Diablo 3
5) MGS4
6) Final Fantasy 12
7) Tekken 6 and Virtua Fighter 5
8) Silent Hill 5 and Resident Evil 5
9) All the next versions of Quake, Doom, HL and Unreal
10) Heroes 5 and Civilization 4
11) The Elder Scrolls 4
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1 still won't wait ...
2 not so much and a long series ...
3 is this a series? I still played in "childhood" 2)
4 if they don’t give up the old idea of ​​changing the enemy's color from level to level ... then we don’t need this! but in general we can see the game in a new key and dimension ...
5 I am silent so as not to incur the anger of fans)
6 the expected masterpiece could well come out under a completely different name ... for example Vagrant Story 2)
7 T - unsuccessful clones ... just earnings money for episodes and that's it ...
8 not a fan of horror ...
9 don't know ...
10 heroes are expected in another dimension.
11 let them try, maybe it will work out ...

There is nowhere without serials. The industry will collapse. Players are accustomed to brands, they require supplements, and on original projects (which fail 30-50%) there is nowhere far, you will not get away. The problem is that the players themselves (that is, the buyers of the games), themselves drove the industry into such a position ...

I will not say anything about the main discussion, but I did not understand something ...
[quote] FF 5-X-2
FF5 was released in 1992, X-2 at the end of 2003.
That is, 7 parts (unique 6) for 12 years old. Even worse than MGS, this is a real soap opera! Despite the fact that in each unique part, almost everything is different from the previous one, and when the fifth part came out, many of the critics were still running under the table. [/ quote] And what did you not please with 1-4? : evil:

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[quote] 1 still can't wait ...
2 is not a long series ...
3 is this a series? I played in "childhood" 2)
4 if they don’t give up the old idea of ​​changing the enemy's color from level to level ... then we don’t need this! but in general we can see the game in a new key and dimension ...
5 I am silent so as not to incur the anger of fans)
6 the expected masterpiece could well come out under a completely different name ... for example Vagrant Story 2)
7 T - unsuccessful clones ... just earnings money for episodes and that's it ...
8 not a fan of horror ...
9 don't know ...
10 heroes are expected in another dimension.
11 let them try, maybe it will work out ... [/ quote]
1. Where are we going? =)
2. And in general, you can't call it a series, it was the plot there that began in the 3rd part, before that there was only the concept of a war of races.
3. I agree, not a series, because the plot does not progress with each part, only the details change, but the concept remains the same. Look, the third part is generally a copy of the first, only in a new way. By the way, AoE is not much older than the same MGS.
4. Everyone wants 3D from her, but they don't want a TES 3-4 clone, as well as the same Gothic. I personally expect from the new diablo of Giant Expanses, a bunch of meat, good classic RPG gameplay without jRPG elements (because Diabla has always been a simple RPG, elements of too cool plots should be left to the Japanese), and of course a new reincarnation of Diablo himself, this time I want him see ala Diablos from ff8 =))
5. What kind of anger can there be? Even fans are not too happy with where and how MGS4 will develop. There are even people who simply begged for a sequel to MGS3, because Big Boss was too harassing, especially now, against the background of the mustachioed old man Solid, who showed up at the recent TGS =)
6. Wagrant 2? Why do you think so? FF12 is built from scratch, but already on ready-made "ideological" motives of the world of Ivalice and its inherent creatures.
7. Such a remark can be attributed to Tekken 4, but not to 5, because 5 is exactly what is worthy of the name Tekken, for it adequately plays out the atmosphere of Tekken 3, which did not even smell in 4 parts. Namco knew where to pull her series, and Tekken 6 will be a really worthwhile fighting game. I can't say anything about VF, because this series has always been of no interest to me.
8. IMHO, CX is called Horror in vain, I would call it philosophy =)))
9. HL3 - in 7-8 years, maybe by 2010 they will do it =)) Duma 4 don't even wait, the third one didn't quite justify what he promised ... The early-release Kwaka 4 is also nonsense, IMHO, because Kwaka is a multiplayer chopper, what kind of plot can we talk about? Well, the only thing that really deserves attention at the moment is Unreal 3 with its engine for the 2006/2007 games season. There really will be something. The plot in the previous part was even more exciting than that of the same Doom 3.
10. Heroes 5 is, in my opinion, the only Must-Have PC game for the entire 2005, and it is not yet known, it will be released before 2006 or not. Civilization, on the other hand, always bored me after 10-15 minutes of the game, and the same Sim City 3000 and / or 4 was a rest from it.
11. It cannot, but it will work out, and very soon =)) I hope my vidyuha will pull this masterpiece =)

Yes, just strange envy takes these comrades who scold "serials". (I must think of it ...)
I'm waiting for all of the above.

[quote name = "SuperFedya"] Well Duc, I thought so, if only games like Stranger, Aiko, Psychonauts and the same Foul. If only these games came out under a different name, the name of a well-known brand. As a result, additional hundreds of thousands (millions?) Of players would play these masterpieces, and the developers would receive a well-deserved profit, and 100% would please us with the sequels. [/ Quote]
Fedya, you better tell me who would buy (and even more so waited) some MGS4, if its name was something like "Zeus and Superman vs. Hydra and mutant thugs", and instead of Snake and others would be placed unknown heroes? :)

[quote] "Zeus and Superman against Hydra and mutant thugs" [/ quote]

But I hope that God of War will turn into a series - the concept is good - mochilovo in ancient Greece.

Who doesn't like the Prince's seriality? Well, they will release the same games under different names - will it change something? The games are good ...

Somehow [b] SuperFedya [/ b] mixed everything into one heap.

[b] TES: [/ b] if someone didn’t appreciate Daggerfall at the time, then it’s even pointless to argue. All further projects are an attempt to achieve the glory of an eminent ancestor. The beauty of this game was in this gigantic game world. And there were many interesting innovative solutions. But the trouble is: in 1996 this game was made by really smart and talented people - by no means the authors of Morrowind. If not for CS, then the game could be called a failure. It was the editor who saved this project. Oblivion: if it is as promised, if the editor is even better ...
[b] Fallot: [/ b] exactly the "post-core" and turn-based battles are the key to success. Again, the talent of the mind and the developers is visible. And you can't even specify and point your finger at specific features - that's not the point. Overall, the whole game makes a lasting impression. BoS, on the other hand, is an example of how stupid people can ruin everything.
There is also [b] AoW [/ b]: many innovative ideas. Many hours spent playing this game. AoW2 - again, this game was made by completely different people, although the name of the studio has not changed. And the sequel was already "riveted" by idiots. And again, the editor saved everything.
[b] HoMM & MM: [/ b] John Van Kanehem is a talented person. But he left the game industry. Nival has very good artists. Some of the best in the game industry. But the ability to create game mechanics and playability at this studio is lame. And very good. I am full of dark forebodings. HoMM4 brought the whole idea to the series - parallel development lines of locks. And what? Crowds of fools all over the world screamed that it was "bad". As a result, Nival returned to the "upgrade unit". Although Kanehem himself so aggravated the refusal of the "upgrade unit": [i] "This is a pointless waste of resources and pointless actions. Unimproved troops do not participate in fights and are ballast of the game mechanics" [/ i]. And he's right. For in addition to snotty enthusiasm, fans of nichert cannot argue the need for these actions.

Only here's the catch. (1) There are games that captivate with the idea, the degree of implementation of the game world, game mechanics, for the conditional freedom of choice. (2) And there are games in which the emphasis is on the degree of realization of the game characters. To the degree of the player's empathy for the characters, to the maximum identification of the player with the characters of the virtual world. And, having supplied a certain set of charismatic heroes, the success of the game is guaranteed.
(1) - there is creativity.
(2) - causes irritation and disgust. For there is business and the exploitation of human weaknesses and complexes.
(1) - called continuations.
(2) - called serials.

2Wildduck
6 already said, the combat system was developed (as I read somewhere) the same person as the first wagrant, it is so somewhat unique! not ATB, it will be possible to take control of the Persian, although it will come out - we'll see!

7 once again playing Soul with friends, after playing Tekken for 5 minutes, I understand that dynamics is everything!

10 if I heard more accurate predictions on Disciples - the heroes would be nothing for me, and so ... wait, sir ... Tsivilka is for amateurs, the game is unique!

[quote name = "BlindGuard"] [quote name = "SuperFedya"] Well Duc, I thought so, if only games like Stranger, Aiko, Psychonauts and the same Foul. If only these games came out under a different name, the name of a well-known brand. As a result, additional hundreds of thousands (millions?) Of players would play these masterpieces, and the developers would receive a well-deserved profit, and 100% would please us with the sequels. [/ Quote]
Fedya, you better tell me who would buy (and even more so waited) some MGS4, if its name was something like "Zeus and Superman vs. Hydra and mutant thugs", and instead of Snake and others would be placed unknown heroes? :) [/ quote]
Well, no one, I'm talking about this and say that to sell games they need a promoted name. Current all sorts of EFs & Co think that this is bad.

> It’s strange how you expressed it ... in general, you don’t understand whether you like the series or not ...

After the ellipsis, I joked a little: gigi:

[Quote] 6 already said, the battle system was developed (as I read somewhere) the same person as the first wagrant, it is so somewhat unique! not ATB, it will be possible to take control of the Persian, although it will come out - we'll see! [/ quote] Well, the main character himself looks like a guy from Wagrant =) Well, we must wait for spring =)

It's bad because not super-mega-bipo-mago -...- professionals in their field (and this is all except Final Fantasy; All games from Blizzard; All Metal Gear Solid; Dragon Quest and a dozen more , NOT MORE!) Will be the so-called STANDBY GENRE: All games from EA (with a rare excl or vapsche without it); GTA; FPS-serials; etc.
But! Since this topic is on the eve of the release of new platforms, some series (perhaps all) will not come out of this stagnation for a long time, and then ...... xs :)