Estus in pvp (Dark Souls 3)

RolandXIII
Honestly, coal is not the most necessary thing, yes it slightly increases health, but you can do without it, especially when pumping health 20+ and yes, if you do not want phantoms to invade, play offline, or set a password

Marty52
Marty52 wrote:
The whole point of DS newbies. You destroy the foundations that were created long before you (even already in Demons).
Everything is changing. And I'm not a beginner, I played both the first and the second part. And when I played them, I did not see a single mention of the "ban" on drinking estus in PvP ... the only thing I saw was a saluting bow, which was stopped after the third invader, who took advantage of it.

Marty52 wrote:
Hmm, but in the first DS there were only a few of them ... Nobody was afraid to lose their souls and humanity, which, by the way, is much more valuable than coal in the third part.
Previously, the grass was greener ... Although humanity was more valuable there, it was farmed much easier than coal in DS3 (we are talking about farming, not buying).

Marty52 wrote:
People had a concept of honor. In general, it is clear that the tendency to lose this is not only observed in this game.
What kind of honor can we talk about in a game in which there are over9000 pots per square meter? And in which you have to survive at any cost, otherwise it will "devour" you (so to speak).

Marty52 wrote:
So this is the beauty of Dark Souls. Overcoming ANY difficulties with your own hands, learning from your own mistakes and the pleasure of being able to overcome the next milestone.
Your words ... so overcome estus lovers too. (by the way, they don't break the rules of the game)

Marty52 wrote:
This is an unspoken regulation between DS players, I repeat, since the days of the Demons. It implies a FAIR fight. The invader has full HP, the host has full HP. The host chooses the territory. Estus is prohibited (like any other treatment).
Someone forbids you to use estus when intruding? I understand, in the second part there were problems with this ... but in the third part, now they are not, you are on an equal footing (if 1 on 1).

Marty52 wrote:
How did you guess about him then? Didn't you think about it? Or do you think EVERYONE was on the forums before? It's just that people were adequate and honest, and the rules are inherited from one part to another.
They did not even know about him. The percentage has not changed. And in the first and second parts, when they invaded me, only 1-2 out of 10 phantoms stood on ceremony with bows ... the rest immediately got down to business.

Marty52 wrote:
For some reason, it was with this part that whining of this kind began.
So I'm wondering ... I've never met whining about estuses before.


Again. I have nothing against these rules in special arenas ... rather, even FOR. However, in the course of the game, I believe, only the rules of this very game should act (and they simply do not exist). And IMHO, this very etiquette simply does not fit into the concept of the damn hostile world of DS. A world in which you can wait for pussies from anywhere and from anyone.





Inzanagi
HP are never superfluous. However, because of the intruders, you have to play without it (Farron's dogs have already been screwed up)
As for the password ... I thought that it does not help against intrusions. I'll try, losing 1 coal is not so sorry as losing it all the time.
And I just don't want to play offline, because blood stains can tell sooooo much about the terrain and podlyanki, and messages from players are useful to the crane ... and sometimes they come across such gems that it's a sin not to screen it.

RolandXIII
Everything is changing. And I'm not a beginner, I played both the first and the second part. And when I played them, I did not see a single mention of the "ban" on drinking estus in PvP ... the only thing I saw was a saluting bow, which was stopped after the third invader, who took advantage of it.
Not a beginner? Then where did "after the third invader" come from? Played the game some year? Now (and a year or two ago), it is clear that in PvP there are only "mego-naghebatili" who also do not know a damn thing about etiquette.

Previously, the grass was greener ... Although humanity was more valuable there, it was farmed much easier than coal in DS3 (we are talking about farming, not buying).
No, it’s not easier. To farm humanity needed .... humanity. And if humanity was lost after death, then everything is absolute. And that was much tougher than losing coal.

What kind of honor can we talk about in the game
Here. Newcomers do not understand that Dark Souls is a whole culture, and not just a "toy". Therefore, it was always a game for a limited audience, and now the era of popularization has come. Here are the results.

in which there are over9000 per square meter? And in which you have to survive at any cost, otherwise it will "devour" you (so to speak).
I'm sorry, what? Podlyanki? Yes, this is the fairest game in the world. If you are mistaken or inattentive, then this is your mistake and only yours. These are the rules of the DS. The game simply does not forgive these mistakes and does not lead you by the handle, like all modern games.

Your words ... so overcome estus lovers too. (by the way, they do not break the rules of the game)
So statistics show that fans of Estus rake, if not immediately, then in the end. But there is no aesthetic pleasure from such victories, because the atmosphere of a real duel collapses.

Someone forbids you to use estus when intruding? I understand, in the second part there were problems with this ... but in the third part, now they are not, you are on an equal footing (if 1 on 1).
So, in fact, I see that my opponent is using it, I also use it, if necessary, of course. But this is stupidity. What is the point of artificially prolonging the fight? If you ogreb, then after healing, the cards are unlikely to change.

They did not even know about him. The percentage has not changed.
Seriously? No, do you seriously think so? Then everything is clear to me. To say that you are not a beginner, while saying IS. Well, I'll have to laugh it off then: I didn't have such shit with me.

And in the first and second parts, when they invaded me, only 1-2 out of 10 phantoms stood on ceremony with bows ... the rest immediately got down to business.
And I played even at the exit of DS2. And then they still knew what manners in DS were. And what is happening there now is not interesting to me, for it is obvious.

So I'm wondering ... I've never met whining about estuses before.
Oooh, this is the answer. You yourself denied what you wrote about your "experience" in PvP. Nobody whined, because Estus was not used. So it goes.

However, in the process of the game, I believe that only the rules of this very game should act (and they simply do not exist)
They're not there .... I've been learning a lot about this series of games lately.

And IMHO, this very etiquette simply does not fit into the concept of a damn hostile world of DS
Here you go .... Five years fit, but now no. In the MOST complex game of the line, these rules stuck, by the way. And now someone comes under the nickname RolandXIII and says that "etiquette does not fit." What a twist.

HP are not superfluous. However, because of the intruders, you have to
play without it. Does your religion not allow you to play locally?

And I just do not want to play offline, because blood stains can tell sooooo much about the terrain and the pits, and the messages from the players are useful.
Oh, that's it ... Then everything is really clear. "I myself am afraid to play this" game ", Yes? Because these words sound exactly like that.

RolandXIII
They didn't even know about him. The percentage has not changed. And in the first and second parts, when they invaded me, only 1-2 out of 10 phantoms stood on ceremony with bows ... the rest immediately got down to business.
How much I play, only in the third did such problems begin, before that, of course, there were all sorts of both 1 and 2, but there were not many of them, especially when I just started playing the first Dark, I remember it only then on the computer came out, but also with the release The second one seemed to be fine, I still play, and rarely any freaks are found.

Andrey Korsakov
Wat? Estus? Almost all Rushan Players use cheats, so estus is not needed.
They don't judge by themselves.

I played pirate, there was no stress and other fig))

In the Souls series, I'm a beginner (I didn't like the wooden animation of parts 1 and 2, I started playing only with the release of the BB engine), and I personally learned about these rules only after seeing this page. You should not expect any kind of etiquette from those who do not sit on gambling sites, but simply play outgoing games, because, as already mentioned;
1) I don't know everything about any rules of etiquette
2) Most (and me too) don't give a damn about whether you want to enter a duel according to the rules of etiquette or just decided to cut the host.
Invaded into a foreign world? Personally, I will do everything for you to return to your feet forward, in any way. I do not like? - Build yourself a "fight club" and play it by the rules

Marty52
I started playing both the first and the second part since the release on the PC. Apparently, it was simply unlucky that such invaders came across (I have already given you my observations). And they used estus (in the first part) and attacked during the bow (that's why he scored on this matter ... he himself only went to the end of the fight, if he won).

Marty52 wrote:
Here. Newcomers do not understand that Dark Souls is a whole culture, and not just a "toy". Therefore, it was always a game for a limited audience, and now the era of popularization has come. Here are the results.
And is this popularization bad? More players, more potential opponents.


Marty52 wrote:

I'm sorry, what? Podlyanki? Yes, this is the fairest game in the world. If you are mistaken or inattentive, then this is your mistake and only yours. These are the rules of the DS. The game simply does not forgive these mistakes and does not lead you by the handle, like all modern games.
I understand that (that's why I play DS). BUT by podlyanki I meant traps and ambushes, I did not put anything negative in this word. So your indignation at my wording is wrong.

Marty52 wrote:
This is how statistics show that the fans of Estus rake, if not immediately, then in the end. But there is no aesthetic pleasure from such victories, because the atmosphere of a real duel collapses.
This is already subjective. For me, the difference between a duel with estus and a duel without him ... only in the time that will be spent on this very duel.

Marty52 wrote:
What is the point of artificially prolonging the fight? If you ogreb, then after healing, the cards are unlikely to change.
"Don't say gop ..." And what is the point of forcing the battle? The longer it lasts, the more difficult it is, because it is not always possible to maintain concentration for a long time (which sometimes plays a cruel joke with bosses).


Marty52 wrote:
Once again .... Five years fit, but now no. In the MOST complex game of the line, these rules stuck, by the way. And now someone comes under the nickname RolandXIII and says that "etiquette does not fit." What a twist.
TS in his first post wrote Sharing opinions, considerations about agree-disagree. I read the article on the link and just expressed my "somewhat agree" ... so what are the claims to me?

Marty52 wrote:
Ah, that's it ... Then everything is really clear. "I myself am afraid to pass this" game ", right? Because these words sound like that.
This is partly true ... but only partly. I prefer to learn not only from my mistakes. Someone else's experience is also important for me (and sometimes you watch someone else's death and wonder: "Boy, how did you manage to die here, O_o?"). I also love to watch the ghosts running around and help people with bosses, and without online this will not happen.

RolandXIII
I started playing both the first and the second part since the release on the PC. Apparently, it was simply unlucky that such invaders came across (I have already given you my observations). And they used estus (in the first part) and attacked during the bow (that's why he scored on this matter ... he himself only went to the end of the fight, if he won).
Well I do not know. It should be so unlucky with opponents that it should go nuts.

And is this popularization bad? More players, more potential opponents.
There were enough of them before. And popularization is bad. It is enough to observe what topics are sometimes created on this very forum.

I understand that (that's why I play DS). BUT by podlyanki I meant traps and ambushes, I did not put anything negative in this word. So your indignation at my wording is wrong.
You see, if you put all your attention (especially considering the experience of the previous parts), all these "mean things" are very easy to read. Even without prompts.

"Don't say gop ..." And what is the point of forcing the battle? The longer it lasts, the more difficult it is, because it is not always possible to maintain concentration for a long time (which sometimes plays a cruel joke with bosses).
The longer it lasts, the harder it gets? Um, no. It is more difficult for the one who drinks Estus first, because this is an automatic recognition that you are losing.

TS in his first post wrote Sharing opinions, considerations about agree-disagree. I read the article on the link and just expressed my "somewhat agree" ... so what are the claims to me?
I meant some objective things, why I agree / disagree, and not "does not fit". Therefore, I immediately said that these rules have taken root in the Demon Souls. That is, in a game that is several times more difficult than the third part of Dark.

This is partly true ... but only partly. I prefer to learn not only from my mistakes. Someone else's experience is also important to me.
In vain. This is normal in life, but to play based on someone else's experience. This is wrong, in my opinion. Will you read the book, too, relying on its retelling by another person? The example is exaggerated, of course, but it will do.

and sometimes you watch someone else's death and wonder: "Boy, how did you manage to die here, O_o?"
There is such a thing, but different situations arise. Someone in PvP, someone was led to the "secret path ahead", and someone wants to become hollow, so he jumps off the cliff.

I also love to watch the ghosts running around and help people with bosses, and without online this will not happen.
But this does not mean that you need to fill in Estus with liters of PvP. After all, this is part of not only your gaming experience, but also the experience of your opponent. It's just plain ugly. As I said before, manners are manners.

Delusional topic. If a person farms a convention like pharaun dogs or loyal to oldrick, he will drink ecstasy, aggro mobs at you and engage in other obscenities because he needs an item from you at any cost. with the aim of quickly gaining the rank of the convention and not getting bogged down in inconvenient invasions.
Also, the person who was invaded at the time of the passage of the game does not want to lose humanity and will also drink ecstasy, because he did not invite anyone to himself and did not want to punch himself at the moment.
And even though you flood all the forums with similar topics, this does not change.

Navaron
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0000Ptasha
pochtipushkin wrote:
If in Bloodbourne it was still possible to punish those who love to get sick
I wonder how to punish? Just do not need to write that to parry with a shot from a weapon, ok?

You yourself answered your own question. And why shouldn't I write about it?

On the other hand, sometimes it is very frustrating to kill the owner of coals, smeared with all the available charges of estus, when you spend the whole battle relying only on the available HP =)

PvP is clearly not the same, before at least they greeted each other ... and then they started the battle, immediately invading another world, the player is running headlong to summon assistants, or is already running around with a flock of phantoms ... I don't understand if this is interesting. ..? Go through locations with a crowd of phantoms ... well, just with friends ...

pochtipushkin
In words, only so cool. But in reality ... maybe a couple of times out of a hundred and it turns out to punish that way.

0000Ptasha
In words, only so cool. But in reality ... maybe a couple of times out of a hundred and it turns out to punish that way.

Oh, how important your opinion and ratings is to me =)

pochtipushkin
Ours? I'm the only one here, actually .. Let's get together in pvp, you will demonstrate your skill in punishing those who heal wounds in pvp

0000Ptasha
Ours? Actually, I'm the only one here ..

The standard level of education of modern youth. ... ...

Go we will converge in pvp, you will demonstrate your skill in punishing those who heal wounds in pvp

. Is that interesting to me? Who said that I have to demonstrate something to someone?
Prove your domain name to classmates. ... ...

And yes, the topic is not about PVP skill at all - good luck creating a new theme. There will be those who want to prove something to someone.

pochtipushkin
And I thought that jumped off (not mogesh means, if any, played in the big blind..
pochtipushkin wrote:
Classmates prove his domenantnost...
The standard level of education of the youth of today have nothing to say - you call a schoolboy opponent Though not though.... but still demonstrated something about himself). Thus, the dialogue came to an end

Well, rejoice Miyazaki: in the second he was not and the bottle was covered in pvp. And since everyone clucks about the filthiness of the second and the masterpiece of the first: here's the mechanics of the first part - if you please, coat the enemy with Lloyd's talismans (from which to dodge like you don't).

0000Ptasha
Thus, the dialogue has come to an end, which

I am extremely happy about. ... ...