Random (WWE 039; 13)
Friends, what are we all about the game, yes about the game? She won't be out soon, at the office. the site gets only stupid tweets every week. I propose in this thread to discuss various events in the world of wrestling, wrestlers, upcoming PPVs, etc.For example, tomorrow there will be No Way Out. Who will you root for?)
What can I say about the forgiving Money in the bank? The first part of the show is disastrous and disastrous. The second part of the show is much better, I really liked the fight between Punk and Brian. And the victory of Dreams is very predictable, but I still hoped for the victory of Kane or Miz. Outcome:
MITB Smackdown: 0.000000000001 out of 100,000,000.
Seamus vs. Alberto: 6 out of 10.
Punk vs. Brian: 9.5 out of 10.
Ryback vs. Rex and someone else there is 4 out of 10.
Wonderful match I didn't watch I don't like them.
The same goes for the team match.
MITB Raw: 8.7 out of 10.
I_dunno
I agree Punk is a great wrestler, quite charismatic, but keeping him a champion in this gimmick, which has not changed for a whole year, is too stupid. Especially since Brian doesn't suit you as a champion? Brian is at the moment much more interesting than Punk, if only because he develops his gimmick very well, and Punk got up on the spot and even slowly rolls to Cena's level.
SEGA2010 Ouy
yeah ... just Case from Smek was many times better than from Ro, Ziggler is infinitely happy. And with what he did after the Del Rio vs. Seamus match, a face turn can be expected. It is high time.
God Of Console
Come on, half of the WWE roster doesn't change gimmicks at all, only their "outlook" changes. So CM Punk has always been a straight edger (in ROH, in tstsu-shnom ECW, even when he was in the Nexus). He just changed his "side" that's all. As for Brian ... yes, he plays his gimmick perfectly - every time his declaration of love for A.J. looks more convincing and convincing))
For a long time it was necessary to get used to this wretched WWE scheme: if a wrestler is a face, then he should file Petrosyan jokes about heals in his promos, team up with other faces in teams "for one match" against two (or more) heals, run out to the rescue other faces, etc. etc. (TP loal); if the wrestler is a healer, then he must: whine that he is not given a title-shot-Ashot, interrupt promo faces, attack them from the back and brutally beat them (recently, cases of "beating" a certain limb and "processing" it in subsequent matches) and so on and so on ...
So we can say with complete confidence that already a dick of WWE wrestlers at the level of Sina: Christian, Broadus, Killings, Kofi, Rolton, Kidd, Ryder ...
I_dunno
Many people have already forgotten about SeMyon 's gimmick of the straight ajer, mostly Best In The World and other face shit. When Punk was a heal, he changed his style many times, he changed his look and liked it very much, but now what? WWE politics knows no boundaries, Punk needs to change again, maybe grow hair like on debut day or something else, but the Best In The World gimmick was normal, became shit, well, honestly guys ... title? let him keep, if he can, the look? It’s time to change, it’s because of this that he became uninteresting, his matches become predictable, the larger the school ... ? Right! Schools ..... (well, you get the idea: D)
To slide down to the level of Sina, you need to do at least no more than 5 tricks, always be in maine and fuck the brains of haters. (Cena School; D)
Christian - at the moment Christian is one of those whom you want to look at, he is charismatic, he is not bad on the microphone, he does not botch the techniques, and most importantly he does not have a bad arsenal, to the level of Cena, Christian will never slip, although would be because he is the direct heir of Age (like Hogan >> Rock >> Cena)
Broadus is a squash, what else can you expect from him? As long as he has a fagot gimmick, I'm not interested in him.
Killings - Well, you need to start with the fact that Killings is one of the WWE veterans, a wonderful heal, charisma from him and rushing, in the ring at 40 he shows real wrestling (of course he became like this after TNA, before that he was like a wrapper, only without candies)
Kofi - In general, those who show good wrestling in the ring no longer treat Sina, and even more so if it's a high flyer. Truth on the UG microphone =)
Rolton is the only one from your list who really got to the level of Cena, Legend Killer was always better than Viper and Apex Predator combined, if only because Orton then played a more real gimmick, hedgehog whether a gimmick yes * booboa: D
Kidd - But the graduates of the "Hart Dungeon" cannot be touched at all, Tyson is not bad in the ring, and his charisma is not bad, these should be treated with respect, because in fact at the moment he is the only wrestler male, who at least somehow relate to the Hart, F * ck Yeah =)
Ryder - I do not like him, only because of his stupid antics in the ring, as a wrestler, he is not bad, but his Woo Woo Woo pisses me off and I just turn off WWE and watch TNA, because there are no such idiots there.
God Of Console
As a matter of fact, I have listed the wrestlers who use the "face behavior" scheme used to the point of impossibility, I didn’t kick the kick for the professionalism of each of them.
As for Sina's level ... well, here it turns out, we have different opinions, HOWEVER, according to your logic, the same Rock, Austin or Foley were a kind of "equivalent" to Sina's level, because each of them did not have a large arsenal of techniques (they had only "crowns" - from Rock, for example - spinebuster, Rock Bottom, sharpshooter, Samoan drop); they were always in main, and the stump is clear, they had haters. And just don't write something like: "How dare you compare such legends with Jon Sena ??? You don't fucking understand wrestling, you can't compare past and present wrestlers !! 1". If a wrestler is a good performer and speaker, he has a small but good movelist, then he can make any match great. Here's an example for all time: the same last year's Money In The Bank, namely the match between Cena and Punk. Five Star Half Hour Match
The predictability of matches in wrestling is not an argument at all, this should not bother anyone at all, one must look at: the presentation of the plot and the match itself. Everything.
Punk mainly uses more than 5 techniques: roundhouse kick, scoop slam, flying elbow, neckbreaker, frankensteiner, GTS, suicide dive, anaconda vise, calf kick (kick in the air after an irish whip), while Sina (mostly) - flying sholderblock, spin out powerbomb, five knuckle shuffle (alas, this is a move), attitude adjustment, leg drop, STF.
And yes, as a reminder, for whom did Jericho and Punk act out the alcohol story for months? loal (well ... you know, straight edge, all the cases)
And in general, here are examples of gimmicks: Undertaker, Kane, Hogan, Michaels, Doink, Austin, Tensai, Damien Sandow, Umaga, Edge (beginning and middle of a career - a secret stranger (You think you know me?) And an opportunist, respectively), Rolton ( the gimmick of the legend killer at the beginning of his career, and the gimmick of the unbalanced somewhere in the middle).
And here are examples of character images: Christian, Cody Rhodes (at the moment), the Yuso brothers, Kidd (what is his gimmick? A guy named Hart ??), Sheamus, Wade Barrett, Big Show, Mark Henry, Cena. Well, they don't have a gimmick as such, NO!
In general, wrestlers rarely change gimmicks. Very rarely. The side of the force or the image often changes, but so that it is the whole gimmick (like Mankind and Dud Love) ... YUGATABIKIDDINMI ???
I_dunno
Face is face, its role is to protect the good and punish the bad, otherwise how?
What is Sina's level? Not a single one, I repeat, NOT ONE wrestler has not slipped to his level, Sina's level is when you use several tricks, work poorly on the microphone, infuriate you with your stupid face after matches and do not allow young talents to break into the main, which Sina actually does. Rock and Austin agree, their arsenal is not large, but they work great on the microphone, their match at WM 19 was one of the best in the WWE, Cena will never master such a match. And Fowley should not have been pushed in here, the essence of a hardcore player is to bludgeon an opponent with chairs, throw him on the buttons and at the same time make a not a fig blade himself, tricks are not important for them. The match at last year's MITB was pulled by Punk, 5 was set because of a not bad plot and Sina's loss in a fair fight.
As for Punk's techniques, I am figuratively speaking, he underestimated his arsenal and before the next victory performs 5 techniques.
Straight Edge became Punk's secondary gimmick.
Tyson Kidd is a representative of the Hart family, not native of course, but already at least somehow treat them, if you look at how they started pushing him, then he now has a future.
Big Show has a gimmick of a man who is tired of everything.
Sina gimmick changed many times, mostly what is written on his shirt, then his gimmick! Let's say there was a feud with Kane last year, why? Guess ...
I_dunno
The rest of the wrestlers presented by you are just "background" wrestlers, they are of little interest to anyone and few people like them, that's the whole point of bookers.
God Of Console
Of course, face is a good guy, healer is a bad guy. However, nothing prevents WWE from doing everything differently at least once and not using trivial things like beating a hand for 2 months in a row, etc.
"... you pissed off your stupid face after matches ..." - the subjectivity of your opinion simply knows no bounds. How can such an expression be taken as an argument? It is necessary to judge and condemn soberly.
"Big Show has a gimmick of a man who is tired of everything."
Of course! Of course! What do you need to change your gimmick? Just put on a Rise Above Hate T-shirt, tell the crowd over 9000 times that you are not going to become a Sith and that you are "Rise Above Hate", protect Zach Ryder very much the lamprey of races, push Josh Matthews into the camera, ostensibly showing that you are a real demon ... Sarcasm, huh? ©
Seena hasn't moved a millimeter from his gimmick ... since 2010 for sure! We know two of his gimmicks: The Doctor of Thuganomics and the current NEVAGIVAP TERMINATOR MOD. The only thing that raised the hope that he would return to the first gimmick was a segment from Ro on March 12 of this year, in which he came out to read a rap song in the gimmick (and style) of this very Doctor. Then many people still thought that he would completely switch to this gimmick, but no - next week he again stuck in front of us in his dull, hackneyed image.
I_dunno
Look at the end of Sina's fight at Backlash 2007 only Sina can do such a fuck, the face on the last one. Money in the Bank pours out no less, in general, after each victory of Sina, build a stupid fuck.
Rise Above Hate was played as a gimmick, like "Be above hate" or something like that (with the English. I have a problem), otherwise the plot with Kane would not have been.
The kids should like the face, if he does something different, he may lose popularity among schoolchildren, but the older audience will start to like it, and who is the main audience? Pralna! SCHOOLBOYS, they like faces as they are and they want to see only the victories of their favorite wrestler, nothing more! They don't care about the gimmick, about the plot too, the main thing is victory.
And bookers know this and take advantage of it, WWE is no longer wrestling, but rather a circus show that works for money.
Why not cover the topic already? This is not the first time that our opinions differ, and no winner has been found in this dispute.
All topic off!
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Horror, what a thousandth Ro is shitty ...
All the matches are just awful, even the main event upset. Although there are a few things to highlight: the victory of Miz, Stephanie McMahon (fap-fap), the segment with Rock, Punk and Dee Brian, of course))
The segment with DX was not bad, but no more. The rest is wedding, new GM Ro, Charlie Sheen, Marella, Hornswaggle, Broadus, teamfight - buEEEEEEEEEEEE
Commentary in the best traditions of TyTruba: the
one who disliked my previous post is Broadus Clay
I_dunno
What about Lita, APA and other legends? Slater fucking populated a crozline from hell)))
By the way, Punk is a hill !!! WWE became watchable for me again: D
God Of Console
Yeah, Lita is back for one episode with ARA; Slater is great, but ... that's it !! Why was it necessary to release the rest of the pack of legends, which even the finishers did not carry out, which even small promotions did not push. What they were doing? They stupidly swarmed in the ring and looked at the defeated Slater. Everything! I certainly do not mind that they appeared on the show. But to release them so that they prevent some jobber from leaving the arena? What nonsense ???
Punk's hill turn upset me. The evil Wolverine wrote that it is not yet clear whether this is a heal-turn or not, but we have known for a long time that WWE wrestlers have no controversial sides of the Force. Either heal or face. It's just that again the sick Punk was presented as a coward (just don't write that all sick people are cowardly): either he has been performing for ages with his managers from SES, now he uses Big Show's interference. The hill-turn of one of the best wrestlers of the current WWE could have been made more stage-wise. Although if Punk meets Rock on the RR, it will be cool!
Oh yes, and of course, Sina, after the match with Rock on VM, again cannot lose cleanly. And the main event is short to UG-ost.
I_dunno
1) Well, maybe for those who looked through the monitor to see legends and boring, but for those who were in the arena, this is a great chance to see the legendary wrestlers live, perhaps even for the last time, who knows: (
2) Hillurn Punk is just what the WWE needs, Punk has been a hill almost his entire career, as a face he looks shitty and boring.
God Of Console
I don’t agree how he can look shitty and boring if he is the only wrestler from the WWE roster who, after matches, jumps over fences to the fans! This is cool !! 1
Let's see what will be the culling - if something special, extraordinary - it will be "just what the WWE needs", if the culling is like what it was during the feud with Mysterio - it will be a terrible copy-paste and boyan. But despite these two options, Cena will feud with Punk. This is a fact, and it is alarming. For I can't remember at all when Sinu was last defeated by a heal ... Damn, I can't stand Sinu's eleventh championship.
I_dunno
When Punk played a feud with Hardy, he had a good role, if you return it, you can make a great story!
Why don't you like Punk Heal so much? Real fans will treat Punk in exactly the same way as they do now.
Moreover, he will be another heal that the audience loves (for example, Austin was a heal, but all fans are from him, even when he beat Jeffka with a chair: D)
Punk's hill -turn will be another step towards the fight with Austin.
God Of Console
"Punk's Hill Turn will be another step towards Austin."
??
Fantasy booking? Or (which is more plausible) another batch of rumors?
If these two wrestlers were "opposed" in WWE All Stars, and Austin in an interview with some magazine / website / Guf said that he would like to fight Pankusha, it does not mean that this can happen. At least many people complain about Rock that he comes back for one fight / segment, and then disappears, just his fight against Punk is possible, and Austin ... pfff
The WWE is already quietly making rumors out of the truth, this segment is a small hint of their match.