Invisible consumer society - the invisible fight!

ColonelJason
ColonelJason wrote:
Here I beg to differ. In my opinion, the fact of death instead preserves all status characteristics of the person, not nullifies them.
well, I will argue, it may well be. but if my memory serves me, it was not about the status characteristics of the person and his needs.
ColonelJason wrote:
And if you think that a dead rocker is not a rocker anymore.
heh, heh... I think? well, suppose I agree, and say that you're right... with a small condition. you have clearly, without forcing me (if possible) every time when reading your comments run to the Wiki to pave a logical path from my sentence
Hello wrote:
the fact that he is alive. that makes all the difference. the dead need no need.
your assumption
ColonelJason wrote:
And if you think that a dead rocker is not a rocker anymore.
pleasure reading.
ColonelJason wrote:
Then who did?
dead remains dead rocker rocker. this is a fairly comprehensive answer?
ColonelJason wrote:
Lived consumer, and the worms will feed the consumer.
no. user - in our case, homo sapiens consuming, a reasonable man to satisfy their basic needs.
living the consumer has needs and wherever possible satisfy them.
dead the consumer has no needs, thus the opportunity it is also not necessary.
for the same graveyard worms our conditional rocker from the consumer turns into a consumer product.
ColonelJason wrote:
And about the societies you have amphibolia. Not all the public that alcoholics anonymous.
... I will bite you. amphibolia!!! her mother dig dig. not so sure anyone is right, I can only say that a community of people United by a common goal (to tie to thump), to me, still is a society (if you have your own version ready to hear it). not away in the wilds of the concept of the society, I always thought that companies may be different, large and small, a secret caste, but at least the members of my circle or society circles my cock.

Hello
Hello wrote:
not away in the wilds of the concept of the society, I always thought that companies may be different, large and small
There is much jungle there is, typologically it is possible to divide the concept of society into two groups: society as a social system (this is obviously the most extensive of the two types of views) this includes all sorts of sub-global community (such as modern society, post-industrial society , Western society, civil society) and societally community (companies allocated on the basis of countries, Nations, etc.) and society as the organization is just all sorts of small groups - alcoholics, lovers of one-legged women, and other numismatists. Although both types fall under the broad definition of a group of people with common interests( under it actually a lot of people gets), it is obvious that the structure and principles of operation of different types of companies are different. To begin with that social system, you (usually) are born, and exist in it especially not aware of, and in society, the organization you come in (usually) itself, and there are some meaningful activities associated with a narrow (usually) spheres of activity of the organization.



Hello wrote:
it was not about the status characteristics of the person and his needs.
So here again the whole market on fact, as to whether belonging to OP-status feature,or just a priori property of our species. If we accept the second option (and reason to the contrary, I do not see, as our interlocutors in favor of the OP as a status label, no arguments to formulate could not), then my analogy with the rocker, of course, false.

what particular product, any particular company you like that down, even with such regularity in Almost all you can buy in Zamkade of the Russian Federation. I'm not a motorist, although I remember how wrinkled under your fingers body a dozen and prior, if the owner is asked to push.

That's right, starting with the domestics and went, the bolt that falls apart after six months, the crane, which decays along, an ex who lives less than five years, even in cold water, a wire section which is below the claimed 30%, consumables for the tool, that is to say paintings that fold like paper, wheels on stone, for example, the Luga plant, which are worn down on the brick in seconds and the like, drills are either broken when you touch it, or reverse at the wedge, lol:)
Power tools, my favorite subject. Interskol, all is working well only in a suitcase started to work, it is complete trash. Okay, buy the Bosch is exactly the same, but more expensive. MAKITA - the same garbage, too expensive. Batteries lose capacity over six months, brush burn, gearboxes ground to dust. You know I have a good engine from all of this? Suitcase. Trimmers that champion that calm for any money or two seasons, gear in the dust.

Mobile phones - I have enough for a necklace in the savage style, the battery was dead, spit-covered microphone, SIM not kontachit, such a reception, under the tower two sticks and connection is lost. Okay, this is a gaming website. Mesnie vidyuhi burned my eyes, the screen explodes with red flash and the stench of burning plastic. The screws of Seagate and Hitachi, two with an interval of a year rattled and disappeared from the system without doing any work and warranty. VD-shki like hold. Mouse. I have a mouse ball, from the 90s, so it is still ogogo. Modern, up to about X7 for the price - for one season. X7 and more expensive lives. Somehow I am surprised myself.

The bulb. I'm an electrician by education and employment records. Our favorite Lisma, our native Russian howmodel. The caps come off, there is a short circuit inside it, depressurization, and sometimes an explosion. If that happens, the service time from two hours to two weeks. The Soviet could live for years. Daylight, LB from LD and the like, Yes...but it's slammed in the hallway? And it's the electrician forgot to mess up the factory lamp, vykusi of his anti-interference capacitor. Who went to KZ with a probability of 100% in the first month and to kick the machines if they were, or set the fire. As the throttle went in the interturn, that is 4 items, two were defective initially.
Seragaki lose brightness over a month, or faded out, dies when their scheme in the basement. Well, there's at least useful rings there. LEDs are degraded by heat, and their driver is shit in the air so that even kilowattage with vosmidesyatki drowning in the static. By the way, the cartridges found enchanting in its debilizm technical solution - their contacts are kept on the rivet foil. Rivets weaken, sparking, arc, fire. Then consumed makes a stupid face on TV, they say how so, still new was...
Nails. Quite simply, they from China. Superduperjew, her mother, unable to establish the manufacture of nails. By the way, so the coffins are now on the snaps, disposable. So if you buried alive, you just swing the cover and the cartridge will fly away.
It is strange that you do not know. Cell phones, gadgets - what's the definition of a consumer society, look in the mirror and you will see its representative from the chamber of Weights and Measures. Who's gettin ' a damn and never did in my life by myself, TA-da!:)))

requiemmm


requiemmm wrote:
Who's gettin ' a damn and never did in my life by myself, TA-da!:)))
All is lost, the proletariat have exposed! Serious flaw the argument ad hominem, recovering in the nasal trenches (for lack of a more decent sources of argument), is that his subject looks very silly when it turns out that his helpless speculations are irrelevant to reality.
More than ten years engaged in the construction business, and,as a student, pretty Pomerol hands on the pads himself. TA-da.

For the conclusion the person did not break, then the person never did anything you, of course, from the prize Aristotle of the month, Bo logic is just a reference.

requiemmm wrote:
Okay, buy the Bosch is exactly the same, but more expensive. MAKITA - the same garbage, too expensive
Either you bought Chinese shit or something with my hands (I will not exclude the combination of these factors). One of the teams hammer makita works from when I started (over 10 years). Normal screwdrivers bosh and the same makita batteries perfectly serve for 3-4 years almost daily use.

requiemmm wrote:
X7 and more expensive lives. Somehow I am surprised myself.
From this wonder and grow the cause of all your complaints: you, as a veteran of the Soviet people, can never understand that good things need to pay. Mouse cheaper 1.5 to have them break a game.

Overall, from all your critics consumption, it is possible to allocate only two objective facts:
a)we produce mainly shit
b) you buy this is the shit, or shit from China.

Now, let's summarize your logical constructions (for this we will pretend that you are really trying to build a consistent logical argument instead of writing just anything) . So, in your opinion, a typical representative of consumption is the person who buys the shit, and those who have nothing useful will not leave behind. In this lifetime you only buy shit (it's the logical inevitability follows from your words - all you broken, all you have is not working), and nothing worthwhile after you will not. It remains to combine these two judgments together. We seem
requiemmm wrote:
representative of the chamber of Weights and Measures
TA-da.

The body of prior he hesitates, Lord...

Ps: who are Weights and Measures? The Jews what then?

requiemmm wrote:
So if you buried alive, you just swing the cover and the cartridge will fly away.
You're not going to uproot itself from the ground.

And it is true that for the term such? The society of consumption. Are there other companies? 8) Companies non-consumption? Producers that produce but do not consume? ) All we consume food, equipment buy the norm of life.
However, the term consumer society sounds a bit negative. It is a society that values only material things. About it?...

vftor wrote:
Morality, in its understanding and adherence.
You see, the problem here is just objective definition of it. In fact, objectively there is no morality and spirituality in principle, since it cannot be known by scientific methods, precision devices, to register and figure 8) But this is only one side of the coin with the position of the objective, and for some reason only this way you can see present in the subject materialists. For objectivity says that it can be like claim requires proof, and therefore, objective morality and God might still exist, we just because of its scientific-technical limitations are not able to identify them. This is absolutely an objective conclusion.
That is, there is no point in trying to justify the moral basis of the individual sentient life forms one who sees the world only from one position (and from a position of objectivity). It's like trying to explain to the atheist God ) Sense. In the end, your opponent will stay in my (as I understood his opinion: the morality and spirituality no). Although I can assume that the part of materialists still have the exact opinion on the soul and"spiritual food (the soul is the human consciousness dies with the body, and the spiritual is, for example, going to the theater)... Very corny, I might add, but what to do )

A. Soldier of Light wrote:
. Are there other companies?
For a product of the consumer society, of course not, because other do not know. And some 40 years ago society was very different in our country. In the USSR the dominant policy was the production of labour, and the greater part of society was the appropriate mentality. And the paradox is that, in the West, despite the fact that there was a policy of consumption, the society was also different. There are also nostalgic about the 60-70m as Golden time. Visual effect cultural balances. The consequences of a single global pattern of consumption, clearly our days.. no humanity, no natural foods , whole planet fucked up and dirtied literally 30 years, nature, shakes and who knows how it will end. And the little people became so-so, most of the polls have autism.

potter790
potter790 wrote:
production work
Wow, that's what economic theory is an interesting new concept? Probably, there you can read about work and Finance money.
potter790 wrote:
And the little people became so-so, most of the polls have autism.
Yes, that's water in front of the TV in the scoop was charging very often intellectuals of the highest order. It is obvious that due to his outstanding mental abilities, these same people now I want to share with all your very objective judgments about what they, the scoop, all was the passion for clever, and now everything is completely retarded, but autistic. Because we all know that high intelligence is a capacity for objective judgment direct positive correlation. Here and show himself to us seasoned scoops in all its glory of its rich mental furniture. Apparently believe that the results of the shovels of the life cycle, mental agility inhabiting it insufficient visible to all.

ColonelJason wrote:
this is what economic theory is an interesting new concept?
In fact, recent history 9 class. There was a time it was held in the school.. now with the exam apparently not before. )
ColonelJason wrote:
and now everything is completely retarded, but autistic.
Yeah, just yesterday on TVC in the program Right to know has raised this question. Driven by the theory that, during the second world war responsible for adequate population died, did not give progeny, therefore, is now entirely fuck. The theory, of course, is relative, not everything is so simple.. these things are just an indicator Shaw, the current rampant dibilizm trying somehow to explain the problem and this is known. As well as the causes and the solution. In the history of mankind is repeated in a circle.

potter790
potter790 wrote:
There was a time it was held in the school..
Of course, that the Soviet Union is now our education system has been and remains very weak. But even so, I doubt very much that such a stupid mistake taught you in school. Perhaps when you point out the error, should not succumb to the classic psychological phenomenon of a predisposition in favor of their own opinions and look for the shortcomings in education of the interviewee, and think that everything is okay with your phrase? The production of this form of labor. My work- a silly tautology.The work can be performance, not production.

potter790 wrote:
just yesterday on TVC in the program Right to Know
Spoiler

ColonelJason
Probably the consumer protection those who do not think about the future.

ColonelJason wrote:
is not to succumb to the classic psychological phenomenon of a predisposition in favor of their own opinions
You harakterizuesh?.. shouldn't the right word, it's so long been known. :)

Nevoeiro
Nevoeiro wrote:
Probably the consumer protection those who do not think about the future.
What, in your understanding, means to think about the future? Let us, by the way, just decide: are you a consumer society or, as some write above, representatives of the intellectual elite, possessing the qualities of lauding over this society?

potter790
potter790 wrote:
You harakterizuesh?..
No,what makes you think that? I'm talking about the case when you wrote stupid ignorant nonsense (production labor), but instead to scrape together at least a bit of knowledge to recognize the obvious stupid mistake, you chose helplessly to Balk like a sheep, and expose themselves to ridicule.

ColonelJason
What style! What is the passage! xD)
MANUFACTURING is one of the basic concepts of sociological and economic science, reflecting active-active way of being human in the world. By P. understand: 1) N. means of subsistence, the satisfaction of needs (material, spiritual); 2) P. the person (procreation, reproduction of the person as determined by the culture beings). P. philosophical concept developed in the framework of the salience of civilizational (technological-organizational), rather than ideological aspects. In a similar vein developed its ideas representatives of the Frankfurt school. The technological emphasis is a distinctive feature of the concepts of industrial and postindustrial, information society, modernization of production and technological relations. The high dynamics of changes in p as a single system, actualized the problem of interpretation of philosophical, meta -, concrete scientific reflection, the development of a methodology able to identify the main approaches to the creative application of acquired theories, an adequate assessment of the situations in clauses not only an ideal type, but also a cultural phenomenon. Therefore, in his study of the important role played by the theory of culture, giving a comprehensive view of regional and national factors in P. P. Futurology is an attempt to predict the dynamics of human needs and ways to meet them.

Still academici probably right, Ali? By your actual visual example.

ColonelJason wrote:
What, in your understanding, means to think about the future? Let us, by the way, just decide: are you a consumer society or, as some write above, representatives of the intellectual elite, possessing the qualities of lauding over this society?
Probably means that thinking and doing not only for yourself beloved, but for the future generations.
What is the point to have a lot of knowledge, money, experience and share that, or not to leave for future generations of the human race.
And even if not what it be, on his level, to leave ,to save what can and in your power for other generations.
If I did not do or will not leave for future generations, it means I'm a consumer,probably so.

Nevoeiro
Oh, you mean medieval peasants, who lived to feed his ruler, or tribes of hunter-gatherers who do not produce anything and do not accumulate the typical specimens of the consumption? Because they do not produce anything for future generations.
Nevoeiro wrote:
If I did not do or will not leave for future generations, it means I'm a consumer,probably so.
And what are your plans on this?

potter790
potter790 wrote:
MANUFACTURING is one of the basic concepts of sociological and economic science, reflecting active-active way of being human in the world
Um...I am certainly very grateful that you took the trouble to confirm my assertion, and to demonstrate what a stupid illiterate tautological phrase my work have no place in academic language, but I do not understand -why? You Stockholm syndrome?

ColonelJason wrote:
Oh, you mean medieval peasants, who lived to feed his ruler, or tribes of hunter-gatherers who do not produce anything and do not accumulate the typical specimens of the consumption? Because they do not produce anything for future generations.
Not exactly probably, tribes of hunters have been accumulating knowledge and experience, passing it on to the next generation.
Medieval peasants did the same,planting and cultivation of new crops,improvement of tools, because the ruler did not allocate them to the individual business.
ColonelJason wrote:
And what are your plans on this?
A plan plan what to say about him

ColonelJason wrote:
Of course, that the Soviet Union is now our education system has been and remains very weak.
This is how you say that or where I read? And in relation to any European ,American education weak?

Nevoeiro
Nevoeiro wrote:the farming and cultivation of new strains of crops
NDA? Very interesting, tell me quickly, what kind of new culture plants brought medieval peasants?
Nevoeiro wrote:
the improvement tools
The same question: what's the peasants improved? And also, do I understand correctly that if one person invented, say, the stirrups, then all his compatriots automatically cease to be a society of consumption, as it will start to use them, and how to use them to their descendants? In short - if the descendants have something to teach, it is not a consumer society, right?

Nevoeiro wrote:
A plan plan what to say about him
I don't doubt that about your plan account in order to benefit future generations, will tell nothing.
Nevoeiro wrote:
This is how you say that?
No, that's a fact.
Спойлерhttps://gtmarket.ru/ratings/education-index/education-index-infoОт you this question is, of course, especially wildly: if we have good education, why you don't have it, the word just? Would not like?

ColonelJason wrote:
NDA? Very interesting, tell me quickly, what kind of new culture plants brought medieval peasants?
corn,peas,soybean,millet and so on all is cultivated from wild species of plants.
ColonelJason wrote:
The same question: what's the peasants improved? And also, do I understand correctly that if one person invented, say, the stirrups, then all his compatriots automatically cease to be a consumer society, so as you begin to use them and how to use them to their descendants? In short - if the descendants have something to teach, it is not a consumer society, right?
For example, start to improve them or do something else in other areas.
Not necessarily what is taught, I said something to leave behind for posterity.
For example save the monuments of culture,write music, and nature conservation.

ColonelJason wrote:
I don't doubt that about your plan account in order to benefit future generations, will tell nothing.
Where in each I should tell you about their plans? .
Nevoeiro wrote:
If I did not do or will not leave for future generations, it means I'm a consumer,probably so
ColonelJason wrote:
From you this question is, of course, especially wildly: if we have good education, why you don't have it, the word just?
A study from 2012. Tell that to the expense of the USSR?