Invisible consumer society - the invisible fight!
That was nearly 20 years since, as with the light hand of the late Ilya kormil'tsev (a talented translator with an Anglo-Saxon and the author of remarkable texts for mediocre (in poetic terms) the Glory Butusov) in the cultural consciousness of post-Soviet youth stormed the countercultural translations of foreign works. The flagship of the series "Alternative" immediately became (and remains forever) the story of the Ukrainian writer Polanyi tells about the hard internal struggle yuppie neurotic. "Fight club" is an extremely immature product, which is, nevertheless, an entertaining tongue-in-cheek pamphlet about the problems of modern society. Largely through him in the mass consciousness came the term "consumer society". The people that were with reality on the short leg, no problem to grasp what is in front of them satirical, the grotesque, the basic idea is not that you have to beat faces all in a row, or that you need to burn your stuff and go live in a commune, and that you need to be able not to lose yourself in homogenizing post-industrial society. But to the masses the message came, as usual, with complications. Now I'm not talking about the really pathological cases, like reason own "Fight Clubs" , and the cult of the struggle with the "consumer society".In recent years, this term is popularized among the inhabitants, trying to mimic the highly spiritual intellectuals. The force actively uses this concept in order to oppose a "dumb redneck." Usually, these same people take the position that "before was better", so, the classic diagnosis of others from their lips sounds like "Here in our time-wow! And now - a complete consumer society!" Unfortunately, it is impossible to achieve from these comrades: what is this "consumer society" and on what basis they oppose him.
Through this I want to raise a number of issues:
-What is a "consumer society"? Whether it exists in reality?
-When was the society of consumption (in the scoop, which was to consume nothing and nothing?)?
-Is qualitatively different than people that are considered representative of the "consumer society" of the person as such not considered?
-What, in fact, the problems of the "consumer society" (if we come to the conclusion that this concept - not the simulacrum)?
Nevoeiro
ColonelJason wrote:
NDA? Very interesting, tell me quickly, what kind of new culture plants brought medieval peasants?
Nevoeiro wrote:
corn.
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Nevoeiro wrote:
Tell that to the expense of the USSR?
After your remarks about corn, to say something about the quality of education in a country where trained you - it's embarrassing.
ColonelJason
What's wrong with corn? Corn was introduced to the culture of 7-12 thousand years ago in territory of modern Mexico. ... There are several theories of origin of cultivated maize: As a result of selection of one of the subspecies of Mexican wild corn, Zea mays ssp. parviglumis; this taxon and is now growing in Mexico and Central America
You need a fundamentally new plant derived peasants?
ColonelJason wrote:
After your remarks about corn, to say something about the quality of education in a country where trained you - it's embarrassing.
Come on do not hesitate to say.
You are probably somewhere in other place got education, probably in Switzerland.
Nevoeiro wrote:
Probably means that thinking and doing not only for yourself beloved, but for the future generations.
except for sacramental man should build a house, plant a tree and raise a son what else sir Nevoeiro is willing to do for future generations?
Nevoeiro wrote:
What is the point to have a lot of knowledge, money, experience and share that, or not to leave for future generations of the human race.
in order the bot not to call Kaka amount of money Monsieur Nevoeiro ready to leave for future generations? I believe that the knowledge and experience this man unlikely to be in demand because of their... insignificance (?).
Nevoeiro wrote:
And even if not what it be, on his level, to leave ,to save what can and in your power for other generations.
heh, heh... okay groshikov a lot. and the tribe young, unknown, looks like uzho Gubenko is unrolled and sho...? zilch! (but loud)
in the end, we remove knowledge, money, experience and of course Paphos (its a lot, but he's dead weight). and Shaw is the next generation of Mr. Nevoeiro? the urine test?
Spoilerfree, the only thing I can gratuitously to leave future generations right now - guys, before you click on send please read my comments at least once, you never know and good will...
Spoilers else - money, real estate, gold and diamonds current children, their children. I guess the rest of the future generation have their fathers.
Hello
Nevoeiro wrote:
Nevoeiro wrote:
If I did not do or will not leave for future generations, it means I'm a consumer,probably so
Nevoeiro
Nevoeiro wrote:
What's wrong with corn?
With corn all fine, but the mental state of a person who believes that this new plant derived medieval peasants, raises serious concerns.
Nevoeiro wrote:
You need a fundamentally new plant derived peasants?
I need nothing from you, I just laugh at your ignorance.
Nevoeiro wrote:
You probably somewhere in the other place to get education
The fact that we were educated in different places, is unlikely to cause someone doubts. Rather,it's not in place, and in the presence of the phenomenon as such:I was educated. You don't.
Hello
Hello wrote:
what else sir Nevoeiro is willing to do for future generations?
Hello wrote:
cocoa amount of money Monsieur Nevoeiro ready to leave for future generations?
Hello wrote:
I believe that the knowledge and experience this man unlikely to be in demand
And I think that that is a conduit of knowledge for future generations sees its socially useful role of our source. Well, the fact that no wealth he would not leave, I think, obviously, so the choice is not great - to prove his identity to the mysterious consumer society, it is only the transfer of useful experience and knowledge on to future generations. Can see in some future, screwing in devotchki, this venerable and faded Sedin yard husband tells the kids about how hard-working and resourceful farmers from Burgundy invented, through numerous trials and errors, in the eleventh century corn...
ColonelJason wrote:
With corn all fine, but the mental state of a person who believes that this new plant derived medieval peasants, raises serious concerns.
You I understand the challenge to find fault with him or still you are interested in the questions posed to you in the first comment?
Corn As a result of selection of one of the subspecies of Mexican wild corn, Zea mays ssp. parviglumis; this taxon and is now growing in Mexico and Central America. Most likely, the culture originated in the basin of the river Balsas in the South of modern Mexico. It is not excluded that up to 12% of the genetic material of ancestral forms of cultural corn received from the other subspecies Zea mays ssp. mexicana through introgression hybridization.
So explain to me what's wrong, since you speak about my mental condition?
We are not talking about the wildly growing of corn.In my opinion it should be clear.
ColonelJason wrote:
I need nothing from you, I just laugh at your ignorance.
Amuse, very good.
ColonelJason wrote:
The fact that we were educated in different places, is unlikely to cause someone doubts. Rather,it's not in place, and in the presence of the phenomenon as such:I was educated. You don't.
Well, what about the USSR?
Nevoeiro
Nevoeiro wrote:
You I understand the challenge to find fault with him or still you are interested in the questions posed to you in the first comment?
My job (during the interview)- to make fun of ignorance. With regards to the questions from the first post, all the little that you thought on the topic ,you have already stated, and in several subsequent reviews exhaustively demonstrated the logical irrelevance of the views.
The society of consumption, according to you:
Nevoeiro wrote:
Not necessarily what is taught, I said something to leave behind for posterity.
All societies, in varying degrees, something to leave behind for our offspring. ergo: societies of consumption does not exist. QED.
Nevoeiro wrote:
So explain to me what's wrong, since you speak about my mental condition?
In General, what you say, not all, but speaking about this particular case, it is not so that the question
ColonelJason wrote:
what new culture of plants brought medieval peasants?
You answer
Nevoeiro wrote:
corn
because corn is not a plant that brought medieval peasants.
Nevoeiro wrote:
Amuse, very good.
Why did you write in complete form and in past tense? Is the fun over?
Nevoeiro wrote:
Well, what about the USSR?
Overall, I agree that personally, your example should not be extrapolated to the entire population of the USSR (if all people had your level of education, we long ago would have died of hunger). But that education in the USSR, although not as monstrous as yours, but still far from ideal, very eloquently that people received the Soviet education charged the water in front of the TV.
ColonelJason wrote:
My job (during the interview)- to make fun of ignorance. With regards to the questions from the first post, all the little that you thought on the topic ,you have already stated, and in several subsequent reviews exhaustively demonstrated the logical irrelevance of the views.
The society of consumption, according to you:
But what is your task.
So I would say that my opinion on these matters is correct. And I wrote probably looks like the society of consumption.
ColonelJason wrote:
All societies, in varying degrees, something to leave behind for our offspring. ergo: societies of consumption does not exist. QED.
Is my opinion on that account is incorrect.
ColonelJason wrote:
because corn is not a plant that brought medieval peasants.
Well ,who brought their cultural corn?
ColonelJason wrote:
Why did you write in complete form and in past tense? Is the fun over?
Well, go ahead, who's stopping you.
ColonelJason wrote:
Overall, I agree that personally, your example should not be extrapolated to the entire population of the USSR (if all people had your level of education, we long ago would have died of hunger). But that education in the USSR, although not as monstrous as yours, but still far from ideal, very eloquently that people received the Soviet education charged the water in front of the TV.
Oh what an interesting conclusion,direct everything charged and on this basis we can conclude that education in the USSR was bad)
That is, the system States you dismiss away.
In the system of Soviet education has its pros and cons.
An account with us the consumer society can be said different opinion.
For example, JEAN BAUDRILLARD.
Or
Vladimir Igorevich Arnold.
Nevoeiro
Nevoeiro wrote:
Yes, if you think, that makes me not cold and not hot.
It is not my way, it is a conclusion which follows from your assumptions with logical necessity.
Nevoeiro wrote:
Well ,who brought their cultural corn?
Nevoeiro wrote:
Corn As a result of selection of one of the subspecies of Mexican wild corn, Zea mays ssp. parviglumis; this taxon is still growing
Spoiler
Nevoeiro wrote:
Well, go ahead, who's stopping you.
Thank you, but honestly, I don't need neither your advice nor permission.
Nevoeiro wrote:
Well, us the consumer society can be said different opinion.
For example, JEAN BAUDRILLARD
Or
Vladimir I. Arnold
I have no doubt that some people may have a normal opinion on this matter. But you are one of them, obviously, do not enter.
Although this one - Vladimir Igorevich Arnold to match.
Spoiler
Quote from the stream of drivel: If people start to get interested in something other than washing machines and cars that have to buy every week a new (çelik, of course, a serious nod to the financial provisions of the Americans did), then they are the worst buyers. And if they buy...They start to buy van Gogh, or the poetry any.
I have this moment just the blood spurted from his ears. Interestingly, many of Vladimir Igorevich van Gogh? Or is he more on some poems?
ColonelJason wrote:
It is not my way, it is a conclusion which follows from your assumptions with logical necessity.
Well let it be this conclusion.
Read it and this will cancel the fact that wild corn cultivated, method of cultivation and breeding?
ColonelJason wrote:
Thank you, but honestly, I don't need neither your advice nor permission.
)) but in General it still.
ColonelJason wrote:
I have no doubt that some people may have a normal opinion on this matter. But you are one of them, obviously, do not enter.
Normal is what? My opinion as you asked the question wrongly,did I say something against, so wrong.)
Well, his mind literally if you believe the wiki.
The moral values of a consumer society reject the need for a comprehensive intellectual, moral and spiritual development of man. This leads to the stultification of the people, the degradation of them as individuals, the decline of mass culture. In addition, it simplifies the manipulation of consciousness, as the dark, ignorant people are very easily fooled. Doctor of physico-mathematical Sciences, academician Vladimir Arnol'd wrote[unauthoritative source?]
American colleagues explained to me that the low level of General culture and schooling in their country — for the conscious achievement of economic goals. The fact is that, having read books, educated people is getting worst by the buyer: he buys less, and washing machines, and cars, begins to prefer them Mozart or van Gogh, Shakespeare, or theorem. It hurts the economy of a consumer society and, above all, the incomes of owners of life, so they tend to prevent cultural and education (which, in addition, prevent them to manipulate the population as deprived of intelligence herd).
Nevoeiro
Nevoeiro wrote:
Read it and this will cancel the fact that wild corn cultivated, method of cultivation and breeding?
I didn't say anything about the fact that her cultivate it. I said that the assertion that it did medieval peasants - ignorant nonsense.
Nevoeiro wrote:
Normal is what?
As a minimum, set out in human language.
Nevoeiro wrote:
did I say something against, so wrong.
This is another of your insane interpretation of my words. I never claimed that your words are incorrect on the basis that they are against my. Your words is incorrect because you are incoherent, ignorant, chitrasena nonsense, in which violated all the basic laws of logic. You undertook to tell about the consumer society, but the only conclusion that can be drawn from data you this society characteristics is that this society does not exist. Obviously, this is not a sample of normal, coherent thinking.
Nevoeiro wrote:
starting to prefer them Mozart or van Gogh, Shakespeare, or theorem.
Why would you post it again, I last time did not posmeyalsya. Have you most is how many paintings van Gogh at home? And, I know what it's about: this apparently highly spiritual man from the USSR, do not feed bread, give van Gogh buy. Who in the scoop will come to visit, each with two or three of the original weight.
Nevoeiro wrote:
American colleagues explained to me that the low level of General culture and schooling in their country — for the conscious achievement of economic goals.
And in our country, low level of education and culture for what purpose? Clearly not economic.
And I don't really understand why you have taken to appeal to the words of Arnold:what he says has nothing to do with rambling delirium, which is presented you. By the way, he says that there is a problem with the school. How about the highest? Problems too?No? How so?
ColonelJason wrote:
I didn't say anything about the fact that her cultivate it. I said that the assertion that it did medieval peasants - ignorant nonsense.
Oh shit it is needed to say that did exactly medieval peasants from Bohemia. How awkward it turned out.
ColonelJason wrote:
As a minimum, set out in human language.
It seems everything is described in human language.
ColonelJason wrote:
This is another of your insane interpretation of my words. I never claimed that your words are incorrect on the basis that they are against my. Your words is incorrect because you are incoherent, ignorant, chitrasena nonsense, in which violated all the basic laws of logic. You undertook to tell about the consumer society, but the only conclusion that can be drawn from data you this society characteristics is that this society does not exist. Obviously, this is not a sample of normal, coherent thinking.
Well, it's your new thoughts and insights, I'm not saying that you are what's claimed on the basis of their-your words. To tell? I just assumed, that's all.
Does not exist that does not exist.
ColonelJason wrote:
Why would you post it again, I last time did not posmeyalsya. Have you most is how many paintings van Gogh at home?
I have pictures Bakinskogo.
ColonelJason wrote:
And in our country, low level of education and culture for what purpose? Clearly not economic.
For the same apparently. Although roughly without growth will not output growth,then the economy is toast.
On the other hand she wants from the man a consumer society that he worked and spent their hard earned money on new clothes,food,cars, bling.
Again, there is shall we say excessive consumption ,is not natural ,but how to say impose on advertising with TV, Internet,some media personalities.
Hello
Hello wrote:
now I know hto Bear Zadornov, may his memory be eternal, lyrics about America and its stupid inhabitants naburovil.
I assure you, neither Mikhail Nikolayevich, nor any other person, to get the best in the world of Soviet education, need neither text writers nor even the manuals in order to even being woken in the night to tell you all the details how Americans are stupid. After all, training them for this sacred knowledge and were focused the entire Soviet educational program.In fact, the Soviet educational tradition is successfully migrated to the Russian tradition. Recently fell into the hands of textbook for social studies (publisher Phoenix, 2016) on the 23rd page the student is told that the Americans (though add that only some of) the level of culture is extremely low,and they believe that until they (the ancestors) arrival on the continent, there lived the dinosaurs. Agree, it first needs to know a Russian student, who had begun to study social studies. But a little further in the tutorial, in the section on forms of government, it is claimed that France is a presidential Republic. The truth is France, unfortunately, the Republic of the mixed type. But who cares about that-there out of your mind the frogs? In the end, we want in Paris? In fact, the tutorial in General there is no concept of the Republic of the mixed type. Well, of course, what it did not give anyone - Mara about these bureaucratic zakovyrka. It is important to know what the Americans are stupid. So we will win.
Generally, gash, probably, soon, in a separate post about the books available in our country and abroad, and our, native homespun. If our translations of imported textbooks difficult to read without laughing, then the content of our textbooks difficult to read without tears of blood.