The book thief.

Wing42
What are you saying, buddy? Well, what's the Koran? We are now on religion talk. And religion is that religion, which he considers proper, Mr. Gauguin, as well as the correct philosophy , is the philosophy he likes, the truth-something that he believes to be true. After all, he's an idealist, a man of high moral qualities, and all the others who do not share his views - cattle, reading shit. So you don't forget.

ColonelJason
But you instantly got respect!

Wing42
What's raskuslati, people in plain text its position is voiced by...

ColonelJason wrote:
This morning I went to your favorite bookstore to restock philosophical treatises.
There is free time to read this fiction?
ColonelJason wrote:
started quite incriminating to pull out the books barcodes
ColonelJason wrote:
a"Tutorial on reading Tarot cards, which he decided prihvatizirovat
Yeah. That is, tore the barcodes of several books, and privatized only one? Clear-clear.

Of the above-described surprising just how with this attitude to their product, the owner of a bookstore still has not closed. The monitoring system turns out to be missing, assistants - consultants is also available. Grandfather so its bookstore will open.

ColonelJason
ColonelJason wrote:
Aristotle and Voltaire. With them and left.
Aristotle is a good option. But Voltaire is certainly a controversial character, especially now.
ColonelJason wrote:
Don't know, never been interested in this area, but the fact remains that the entire scientific literature in book ranked the least popular of the goods.
If you want to think so, to gratify their self-esteem is your business.
ColonelJason wrote:
needed to idealistic views of stupidity, naivety and a coward before reality
Here I suggest you don't bother to Soviet propaganda of the spill, and to pay more attention to the meaningfulness of words, especially the so-called reality, this can help a fair portion of analytic philosophy. Although, assuming you mean that, I would like to remind you that idealism as a philosophical position is at variance with reality only in the imagination and fiery speeches materialists. There is a position of objective idealism, where I actually stand.

PS Actually, we can consider the development of the human mind in the form of the famous Hegelian triad (this is purely my household metaphor, in this case do not claim the analysis).
First, a person is guided by everyday common sense, sometimes romantic and dreamy (what the Lord materialists now dubbed as idealism, although it is rather primitive and primitive idealism, coupled with his understanding of by the materialists, who has never shone particularly mind), this is the first stage - being. Then in the course of the dialectical development he's getting in position, like materialism, atheism, liberalism, nihilism etc...Its become thinkers Marx, Nietzsche, Freud, libertarian economic thinkers, etc., even Dawkins (I know, thinkers mixed, but the stage is heterogeneous, though, and have its own trends)... but it keeps the innocence of the first stage, thinking that the abrupt change of the Outlook of the initial level - it is the truth. This is the second stage - denial (apparently, specifically, you are now stuck in it). And finally a still higher stage of development of the mind - the negation of the negation. In spirit it is somewhat similar to the first (as in Hegel this is the case), while maintaining some positive experience was the second man back to the roots again become an idealist, realizing the ridiculousness of the thoughts and thinkers of the second stage,but to understand them and taking into account (in Hegel this is called withdrawal - denial and withholding of experience deny, and it happens when you transition from first to second). Here thinkers become more noble and intelligent people - Socrates, Plato, Christ, the fathers of the Church, I mentioned Pascal, Descartes and Leibniz, Kant, Hegel finally. By the way, again - Hegel, the father of dialectics, based on his historical notes (apart from works) and the biographies, was this path that I have indicated.
ColonelJason wrote:
rightly discovered Nietzsche idealism Pascal slow death of the mind
Well Pascal, along with Leibniz, and Descartes is the greatest and most versatile genius of the New Time. Therefore, the characteristics given to him to Nietzsche, who as a thinker is not worth a nail of the above persons, I don't really care.
ColonelJason wrote:
That is quite strange, since the 17th century, like, a long time has passed, and it would be possible, if not to abandon the fanciful delusions, then at least to choose them yourself fresher.
Hard to understand what you mean.
ColonelJason wrote:
Well, not at all depressing - in any state where the government thinks for the best to have in its subordination of people of a weak-willed, stupid and servile, mass idealism is not going anywhere
Strange situation - all of these are well achieved (I won't speculate who, but still) with mass materialism, which we see as the modern West, partly because we have given that last century Russia defended under the banner of Marxist dialectics. Yes, and I must admit, the freshness and truth of leftist thoughts about evil power and not the people is highly questionable.
ColonelJason wrote:
typically, such existentialism
This is bad.
ColonelJason wrote:
tea is not Burroughs
It's even worse. Kafka even can be called a good writer.
ColonelJason wrote:
Prejudices about the virtues of one of the fragile branches of Judaism
Well, the prejudices of virtue, not just because of Christian virtue is true.
ColonelJason wrote:
hypocrisy
Hypocrisy is when the behavior is not consistent with the sermons. In the Victorian era it was not so much. If by bigotry is meant, the fair treatment of cattle with the human form - I don't see anything wrong.
ColonelJason wrote:
Like the fellow above, you measure all on its own
I do not guess. I just suggested voicing the liberal disease individualism. If it not apply to you, sorry, as they say.

GariK Hunter
GariK Hunter wrote:
There is free time to read this fiction?
Strange question. Not even to mention the fact that the answer is self-evident, it is not clear what you mean: the fact that philosophical literature need some special time, or you principle am surprised that people have time to read?
GariK Hunter wrote:
Yeah. That is, tore the barcodes of several books, and privatized only one? Clear-clear.
To break a few of the barcodes from different instances of the same books - not?


GariK Hunter wrote:
The monitoring system turns out to be missing, assistants - consultants is also available.
Video surveillance system in the bookstore thing bestolkovyy (at least to prevent vorovstva, she will be able after the fact to confirm the fact of the offense), as all people are with books fixed in the rack, and to see what they do there camera need to push in each shelf and to keep the staff of hundreds of employees looking at the monitors. Assistants-consultants it was full, but as I said, it was in the farthest corner, where they delot nothing. Anyway, you're probably a little surprised to learn how people steal for all sorts of shopping, but something I have not heard that any grandfather opened his roundabout. Moreover, you theft get paid, since such costs are included in the pricing.

Gauguin
Gauguin wrote:
But Voltaire is certainly a controversial character, especially now.
Well, as a writer he really is, but I like his attitude to religion-after all, he offered it to push back when the need for this was apparent only well-educated people, and not every person of sound mind, as it is now.
Gauguin wrote:
If you want to think so, to gratify their self-esteem is your business.
It is difficult to assume, as the location of the racks can raise my self-esteem, however, much in the reasoning of the idealists inaccessible to ordinary people...
Gauguin wrote:
actually, we can consider the development of the human mind in the form of the famous Hegelian triad
Of course you can, but since no criticism of the Hegelian triad does not stand - Otkrovenie verbiage the likes of which any self-respecting demagogue issues at Breakfast in five copies, that would not lose grip - no reason to do so that I can see. I prefer the company of Feuerbach.
Gauguin wrote:
materialists, who has never shone particularly mind
Unfortunately, the brilliance of the minds of idealists did not cover in our world is nothing but dark castles in the air your adaptor,in which the last are trying to hide from life, while the narrow-minded minds of materialists we owe lineu a share of the existing scientific knowledge ( of course the scientists of former times suffered affliction ideologically fallacies often, but they can understand the level of information about the outside world was negligible. However, other Greeks 2,500 years ago realized how matters stand in reality). Apparently ignore such obvious facts is also a lot of cattle, staring solely at his feet, while the eyes of the people drawn to the majestic heights such trifles do not notice.
Gauguin wrote:
Here thinkers become more noble and intelligent people
Again you confuse yourself with everyone. I do not deny, and simply hold the opposite point of view, and although the denial of the fact that I don't think true follows from this point of view , it does not lie in its basis.
Gauguin wrote:
Therefore, the characteristics given to him to Nietzsche, who as a thinker is not worth a nail of the above persons, I don't really care.
Believe me, your characterization of Nietzsche too few people bother.
Gauguin wrote:
Strange situation - all of these are well achieved (I won't speculate who, but still) with mass materialism, which we see in the West now partly because we have given
Unfortunately, as the modern West, and we, the population has not yet recovered from this terrible disease, and very many continue in one form or another to believe in various notions. Fully judge the impact on society will have a celebration of sanity we can only when take a few generations since, as the last employee of the last of the cult will cease to exist.
Gauguin wrote:
This is bad.
Do you have anything that is not your way wrong. Moralism is a harsh thing.
Gauguin wrote:
Kafka even can be called a good writer.
Psychedelic it was not his doing. In contrast to Burroughs.
Gauguin wrote:
Well, the prejudices of virtue, not just because of Christian virtue is true.
Unfortunately in the real history of the real world reflect, primarily, the opposite.The actions of the vast majority of its adherents, the Christian virtue does not show.
Gauguin wrote:
Hypocrisy is when the behavior is not consistent with the sermons. In the Victorian era it was not so much.
Oh, Yes-read the same Wilde - people then were pure...once again admire the absolute precision with which you make judgments about the moral conditions of the societies of former times.

ColonelJason wrote:
To break a few of the barcodes from different instances of the same books - not?
And to take only one instance, not two? Sometimes the seller puts a few magnetic barcodes, especially on expensive books. One bar code on the inside cover, the other page of the book. Yes, and it would be more logical that the grandfather broke the barcode(s) from one book, that would not arouse suspicion of his long fuss for visitors/consultants, and surveillance systems. Yes, and poor grandfather and grandfather not only should arouse the attention of consultants, but not in my competence to judge their quality of work.
ColonelJason wrote:
something I have not heard that any grandfather opened his roundabout
Duc food shelf life and are much particular about my storage, so Shaw it is easier to eat than to store and delay to trade:) Although it can be shelf-stable and preferably steal the drawers:) In supermarkets most just delay drag(sellers,goods) and throws, and quietly steal the food - it's a drop in the ocean and in the delay to write you.

ColonelJason
ColonelJason wrote:
but I like his attitude to religion-after all, he offered it to push back when the need for this was apparent only well-educated people, and not every person of sound mind, as it is now.
Your anger management is too obvious not try.
ColonelJason wrote:
Unfortunately, the brilliance of the minds of idealists did not cover in our world is nothing but dark castles in the air your adaptor,in which the last are trying to hide from life
You continues to smell Soviet-bag.
ColonelJason wrote:
Of course you can, but since no criticism of the Hegelian triad does not stand - Otkrovenie verbiage the likes of which any self-respecting demagogue issues at Breakfast in five copies, that would not lose grip
Perhaps, but really, if you want so you can describe many things. At least, Nietzsche is certainly the first of Hegel in the queue for this feature.
ColonelJason wrote:
while narrow-minded minds of materialists we owe lineu a share of the existing scientific knowledge
Unfortunately, in your zeal, you are wrong twice - equate science with materialism and trying to attribute the discovery of important scientific knowledge only materialists. It's either stupidity or propaganda, that depends on you.
ColonelJason wrote:
I do not deny, and simply hold the opposite point of view, and although the denial of the fact that I don't think true follows from this point of view , it does not lie in its basis.
I would like to believe you, but something you are too typical.
ColonelJason wrote:
Unfortunately, as the modern West, and we, the population has not yet recovered from this terrible disease, and very many continue in one form or another to believe in various notions
The fact of the matter. Believe in such nonsense as materialize, the scientism, human rights. From these chimeras, it is time to get rid of.
ColonelJason wrote:
Fully judge the impact on society will have a celebration of sanity
It depends on what you mean by this. Real sanity will prevail when the consciousness of people to win the Christian religion then you can say the need in this world will disappear. But we wait for long time, if ever, wait.
But if you want a second age of Enlightenment - no, thank you, this idiocy we no longer need.
ColonelJason wrote:
Oh, Yes-read the same Wilde
But Wilde was one of those people who were a transition period from the Victorian era to the degenerate fin de siecle.

ColonelJason wrote:
This morning I went to your favorite bookstore to restock philosophical treatises. The shelves with the scientific literature...
Yeah, so, too, this morning I went to my favorite public toilet in front of our bus easier, so to speak, from... also a kind of philosophical stocks.
Well, as usual, the booths with the most interesting rock graphics, allowing a blessed quiet to get the maximum pleasure for the true lovers of philosophy are at the end of the toilet...
Yeah, so, go slowly in anticipation of future procedures, and meet me an old man, like a claw, half dead, plyugavenky goner. Goes on the road and looks in every Cabinet and chevoy there soorudit. I saw kind of embarrassed, his eyes lowered his right to the hurried exit. After I look and see that his of the under coats the piece unfolded a roll of toilet paper peeking out. Well, I think the contagion old, paper, steal, dammit!.Break would you brave the landside Alyosha Popovich, Yes, but a reluctance to communicate, and it seems like it is not right to knock. Yes, and Santa is not today will die tomorrow. I think let him run, enjoys a good hunt... we will not lose anything.
...Well, sit, sit, sit... like a good sit, but still like something is wrong, not because of some discomfort you feel... And only then I begin to realize that paper is not present. NO!!! Schopenhauer fucking all pokral, cleaned made even novoladoga a scrap of paper left. Guard...
Here and now show themselves indulgent neutrality of non-interference... yet philosophy is not dry.
ColonelJason
And you say bits of youthful rebellion, his mother!

Gauguin wrote:
Your anger management is too obvious not try.
Yes, it's only you clean over the absolute of thought, and all the others act up, assert themselves, and in General, live only to build a stupid design that you can indulgently cutting sword of his true knowledge. In the end, what else created the universe, with dark cattle, if not to read Hegel shone on her background faded more dazzling. Quite a Christian modesty.
Gauguin wrote:
Perhaps, but really, if you want so you can describe many things. At least, Nietzsche is certainly the first of Hegel in the queue for this feature.
Again you have instead of I believe - for sure. To whom exactly, and to whom not.
Gauguin wrote:
Unfortunately, in your zeal, you are wrong twice - equate science with materialism and trying to attribute the discovery of important scientific knowledge only materialists. It's either stupidity or propaganda, that depends on you.
There you as it is for you personally, and idealists in General, usual, stretching the truth, as usual blatantly and openly, as I have written on this subject is completely different: .
ColonelJason wrote:
of course the scientists of former times suffered affliction ideologically fallacies often, but they can understand the level of information about the outside world was negligible
Speaking of degeneration, thank God, the idealism of academia, I'm talking about modern (relatively) for us scientists.
Gauguin wrote:
I would like to believe you, but something you are too typical.
Fortunately the concept of a typical contradictory the concept of true is not.
Gauguin wrote:
The fact of the matter. Believe in such nonsense as materialize, the scientism, human rights. From these chimeras, it is time to get rid of.
It is quite possible that Islam, for example, stepping from us,will help us to get rid of such chimeras, and you'll feel all virtue, though not quite their, but it is identical to yours views. But I suspect what happened is you, as soon as you have to ensure the tools will still prefer to move somewhere where archaic human rights are still in force - when it comes to spaseniya of his mortal material body, idealists show an extremely enviable zeal comparable to their entusiasmo in the destruction of all life who do not share their philanthropic beliefs.
Gauguin wrote:
Real sanity will prevail when the consciousness of people to win to the Christian religion
Yes, the pros of the triumph of the Christian religion we truly looked in the middle ages, when the institution possessed absolutely transcendent authority and power. In memory of the triumph of morality and humanism of those times, these century, affectionately called dark.

Gauguin wrote:
But Wilde was one of those people who were a transition period from the Victorian era to the degenerate fin de siecle.
It may well be, but he described not themselves but the society, the former, at that time, quite a Victorian.

GariK Hunter
GariK Hunter wrote:
Yes, and poor grandfather and grandfather not only should arouse the attention of consultants, but not in my competence to judge their quality of work.
Not in my, to be honest, too. And most careful consideration of the actions of his grandfather , and steal the list of the literature, my purpose is also not included, I just noted that it had taken place, and described what he noticed edge browsing.
GariK Hunter wrote:
and quietly steal the food - it's a drop in the ocean
I think it's missing a couple of books network house of books is also somehow survive. Again, we do this and pay in the end.
Krucinski the quiet badass
A very scary story. In General, you should be more attentive when relief start-- and it is no grandfather neuroelectromagnetic space can be...

ColonelJason
ColonelJason wrote:
of course the scientists of former times suffered affliction ideologically fallacies often, but they can understand the level of information about the outside world was negligible
Well, it's time to move on to more specific examples instead of platitudes. Let's start with examples of modern true knowledge, as opposed to the then ideological delusions.
ColonelJason wrote:
It is quite possible that Islam
Islam of course can be respected for the preservation of traditions and the rejection of modern Western Chimera, but otherwise this is a contradiction with the position of Orthodox Christianity, a foreign religion, hence it I is not supported.
ColonelJason wrote:
temporary material body
Body is not material. Matter at all.
ColonelJason wrote:
idealists show an extremely enviable zeal comparable to their entusiasmo in the destruction of all life who do not share their philanthropic beliefs.
I don't understand why are you trying so hard to accuse idealists (philosophical position) of all sins. This smells of Soviet mouthpieces.
ColonelJason wrote:
the middle ages
Nobility, Church schools and theological rationalism. Good idea, don't you think?
ColonelJason wrote:
only he described themselves and their surrounding society
Readily believe, given the fact that he was a degenerate and saw what you wanted to see.

Gauguin
Gauguin wrote:
Let's start with examples of modern true knowledge, as opposed to the then ideological delusions.
Oh, these delusions there is no counterweight, so it's just a joke created out of nothing predpriimchivyy people , with the aim of enrichment on the gullible people. In any place where it begins to be light of scientific knowledge, these stories dissolve into nothing, along with leprechauns and unicorns. And nothing, of course, any balances could not be.
Gauguin wrote:
Body is not material. Matter at all.
People, activities which we owe all the benefits of modern civilization for the last couple of hundred years, do not think so.
Gauguin wrote:
I don't understand why are you trying so hard to accuse idealists (philosophical position) of all sins.
Soviet mouthpieces I'm not surprised, but the current mouthpieces of the staff of the cult you hear very well. And the historical picture of the world, the achievements of the idealists, when they from of the picking of the nose intricate concepts on the topic how is it we are connected with the universal spirit, moved to the present action, paints quite a clear.
Gauguin wrote:
Nobility, Church schools and theological rationalism. Good idea, don't you think?
Unfortunately, the middle ages was not quite as good as you predstavlyaeete at fantasy literature. Dirt, ignorance, poverty, widespread violence, wiping feet on the lower strata of the population (of course with preventing them to stop being such),a complete leveling of the value of human life, and, of course, complete regression of science - a time of unchallenged rule of the Church worship is the most stupid, unproductive, mediocre passing time in the history of mankind. Enough to see what humanity had achieved until the seventh century, after which trinadcatogo, and it becomes clear that dark dark century was called not just. It is, of course, of course - how the Church could use all the leverage to the power of ignorance did not stop, as it is obvious that without the ignorance of its activities impossible.
Gauguin wrote:
Readily believe, given the fact that he was a degenerate and saw what you wanted to see.
That does not prevent it to be true.

ColonelJason
ColonelJason wrote:
Unfortunately, the middle ages was not quite as good as you predstavlyaeete at fantasy literature. Dirt, ignorance, poverty, widespread violence, wiping feet on the lower strata of the population
I know about the middle ages more than you think. So whiny details I can not tell.
ColonelJason wrote:
People, activities which we owe all the benefits of modern civilization for the last couple of hundred years, do not think so.
To believe is one thing, to prove is another.
ColonelJason wrote:
Oh, these delusions there is no counterweight, so it's just a joke created out of nothing predpriimchivyy people , with the aim of enrichment on the gullible people.
ColonelJason wrote:
Soviet mouthpieces I missed
Well, maybe not surprised, but only a mess in the head you have is very reminiscent of Soviet jokes. That quote is an example, as well, and your posts in General.
ColonelJason wrote:
And nothing, of course, any balances could not be.
And examples true knowledge you have not failed, chose to laugh it off.
ColonelJason wrote:
That does not prevent it to be true.
Only partly, as in any, as you put it fantasy literature.

Gauguin wrote:
To believe is one thing, to prove is another.
They are a little busy with other things, development of all sorts of branches of science, which, among other things, every second find application in real life. Like for example pills, from a non-existent matter that you are shoved in his intangible body intangible when bacteria and viruses cause you all sorts of ailments. However, other minds are more idle wing spent their time and debunking mythological organization: Leo has all sorts of Taxila, I think a lot of them, just get their work uninteresting, and to me, obvious.


Gauguin wrote:
And examples true knowledge you have not failed, chose to laugh it off.
Yeah I was hoping maybe that you're joking: to give examples of what science, okanchatelno springing off the shackles of idealism and success, from the 17th century, it makes me uncomfortable.
Gauguin wrote:
I know about the middle ages more than you think
Unlike pseudouser you, I judge only by what is available to my senses. Any hints on at least the distant view of medieval life in your words I can not see.
Gauguin wrote:
Well, maybe not surprised, but only a mess in the head you have is very reminiscent of Soviet jokes.
For my taste the best porridge of faithful representations that clearly strukturirovannoi crazy.

Krucinski the quiet badass
Now what kind of man is this!!?? The booth he chose with interesting rock graphics, sat reading, Marina gives all want passionate love, call me, the phones probably remember, right? And a huge inscription - if you pooped infection - pull the handle of the toilet, if here is no such, then kick naked, written and for whom?

Rolemanser
Baby, your awareness of the details of toilet entourage inadvertently conjures up the idea that you were witness to this unfortunate event. But in the toilet there was nobody except me and Mr. no fixed abode, slowly absorbing open cans of cat food. It's not you was this gentleman?

Krucinski the quiet badass
No, sweetie, I just afftor this meme about to dump a foot...

Rolemanser
Rather silly meme, because it is unlikely syschetsya idiot, ready to follow him... Is it really that afftor of this meme?