fair pvp / tvt + small survey (Diablo 2)

bd_sm [TDPG] wrote:
I play on random publics in CS: GO, in each (!) skating rink there are at least 1-2 people from normal ranks.
If this was an objection argument, it turned out the opposite - you just confirmed my words. No more than 15% of players invested. Note, I have not written anywhere that it is impossible to invest, I wrote that it is absolutely not necessary.

Obsessed wrote:
what do you have? There is no accumulation, so you can play right now, and not when "I'll get it" - that's the whole difference.
This is a huge difference, which dramatically affects the list of potential audience.
Obsessed wrote:
if you see this as a disadvantage of the game - good luck in life!
Well, for me personally - a disadvantage. If globally - no, not a disadvantage. As the saying goes, don't blame the chef, you just made the mistake of the restaurant. Everyone chooses what he likes, someone long RPGs, and someone short session games like pillbox. But when some disfigure q2, trying to make a one-time game out of it (and even then brazenly declare that their cut is the correct q2) - I no longer like it and I would rather that this did not happen.

A good comparison with the
Poavr chef in this restaurant stupidly oversalts,
you can push it until thawed, that this is just a restaurant for lovers of salted, but the chef from this is no better here, you
can try to argue "eat means like it", but in fact they go to this restaurant to drink compote, which no one allowed the cook to spoil, because the purchased, normal, and everyone loves him
, while the cooks are kept in the restaurant only because he is still a plumber, cleaner and doorman, he just cooks for free at his leisure,

so the culinary argument: mb is not necessary after all over-salt?

Sweety_Mustard, uncle, you confused the main thing - I wrote about quake in general, very roughly describing it in terms of q2, and did not praise the pvp server q2. =) I just suggest not to play other games into "one-day" games, if they have not come to someone personally. though, they don't care about their audience. =)

Well, for me personally - a disadvantage
Everyone chooses what he likes
firkax, I can’t believe my ears! =) that's what I wanted to hear.

some disfigure q2 by
going back to the beginning of my throw-in - nevertheless, this is just a real way to attract the brainworm to the answer "show your pvp skill". to offer him "prove it to the pg, drag the trains" is, to put it mildly, stupid, but for some reason you are doing this ..

firkax
> Difference from casual games like dota
I, of course, understand that arguing with you is a thankless task, but don't you think that this is so-so pvp, if, in order to properly fill each other's face, you need to farm clothes for a year?

Obsessed wrote: to
offer him "prove it on the pg, hustle the compositions" - to put it mildly, stupidly
well, other games more popular than quack - is this offered? Yes, they are hated for it - all these shareware games. But there is an unreal margin of safety and always decent online - if there is no game at all. There, by the way, the players just negotiate with each other and arrange tours in bum clothes - however, collect these sociopaths in time like wigs for Jakhets to train.

As for the amateur chef, this chef has somehow become a monopoly among the Russian-speaking servers d2, although partly because he began to oversalt the current in 15 years, having cut his wigs. And the chef who prepared the culinary delights - where is he? Why didn't everyone rush to him?

magyarorszag
I don't know if you play third heroes online (hd-mod or hota), but only two things are completely prohibited from what the game allows: jumping go and assembling PCN. Of the game mechanics, only diplomacy and necromancy were weakened, and this was done just to REDUCE the pace of the game, so that the outcome of the final battle would not be predetermined long before it. Recently, two streamers swindled for five hours, each had 6 castles and all heroes of level 10+. It's a fierce jerk, but it's one of the game elements on this template.
You, it turns out, propose to have a duel before "one second for a rapprochement, two for a blow, ten for a referee's countdown." Your fierce hatred of liabilities (if you understand what I mean) rather indicates that you do not know how to play against them.

I passed by.

well, other games, more popular than quack - are they offered?
Why didn't everyone rush to him?
Sweety_Mustard, two questions at once to the wrong address)) but nevertheless - what is "this"? to pull up wigs at pg? : D you plzz do not cut the firm, I have been hearing angry questions here for a long time, "and what hasn't everyone left for a third-party resource ??", but you can't answer here - advertising, sir, a forum for sort of communication: D nevertheless, not at all I understand the question from you to me "where are all the players in d2 and why not there?" don't you find in him some delusion? firstly, you and I have our own life, we do not analyze flows, secondly, "somewhere, in d3 and in poetry", and thirdly, where you write online, there was a little more at the peak, than here, AFTER, as shared with a new competitor. are there enough answers? )))

Obsessed
well, just a drop of 1.13 will not make d2 a game to enter and roll - are you talking about that?
They can leave, - as passed, but who will let them go; D

There is another option - to make a trachomod in non. With blackjack and Stygian women. At the same time the Masons dispossess kulak XD

are you talking about this?
Sweety_Mustard, no. You shouldn't have switched to the "wish for a chest of jahs d3t3ct3d": D I originally mean: It's a pity that in d2 to show the skill, you need, conditionally, to pull the wigs. By the way, let's fantasize: Tfox schA writes: mozgovrsrzag, go pvp on three forty? I'll give you my gear. he comes, puts on litter, puts on charms. and such "posoni .. ea bil ne prav! xD", pours and removes the charm: DD is also a slippery moment - owning YOUR gear. in post d2shkah they even began to make bindings. gear to the owner.

make a trachomode in
non nobody will do anything. if only give the firm a couple of assistants .. but he will send them; D

Obsessed
well, yes, but the durability of Diabla is amazing) And who knows - someone did the same alt client, painted spears to measure, swords to skeletons; D

By the way, this is not why they personify things - what I saw is done so that people do not sell their left, monetization is the same. You can throw away the staff too.

I painted spears to measure, swords to skeletons; D
Sweety_Mustard, gods .. this is called the correct organization of labor! : D first send everyone with Wishlist in the forest, and then take a brush and sit down to decorate the swords to the skeletons. life is one. ; D
and cho for a joke ?? on the above-mentioned other color? )

Obsessed
yes, - venom and ench are displayed in summons and measure XD
Well xs - mb there is one line of code and it's anyway faster than a trachomod with clothes and 99 lvls in non-cutting.

Sweety_Mustard
Yes, I got out, no doubt about it.
Why oversalt?

Venom and ench are displayed by
Sweety_Mustard, I feel there are just lines / -s that do not lead to the chest. the rest are leading. ;-)

I, of course, understand that arguing with you is a thankless job
in a bath: threats <: D

Obsessed
what? he was clearly not banned for this phrase, otherwise it would have been deleted

Wisdom Ondala wrote:
but don't you think that this is so-so pvp, if, in order to properly fill each other's face, you need to farm clothes for a year?
You bent the year. And in general, the statement of the question is incorrect. To beat someone's face, you don't need to farm anything, you just need to declare war and run to the enemy so that he doesn't run away. But what will come of it is another question. In general, the one who spends more effort has a higher chance of winning. If two random players are fighting, each plays for a month - they have an average of 50% chances of winning. If two players are fighting, playing for a year - the same. But if one plays for a month, and the second year, then the second has more chances. Pvp is not something separate in a vacuum, as individuals try to present, but just one of the aspects of social interaction between players (those who declare their non-participation in pvp - "I am only pvm" - are also wrong, this aspect inevitable if you are not in the single). As elsewhere, success in it depends on

you just have to declare war and run to the enemy
firkax, this is something separate in a vacuum, and a separate person is you. separate from everyone, with its own hermitic logic. the key word in the question was "ok".

and who determines this normality?
I know that there is agitation from some that pvp is supposedly necessary in top gear,
but I absolutely do not see why this should be taken for the truth, especially since this statement greatly narrows the possibilities of almost all players

firkax wrote:
agitation from some that pvp is supposedly necessary in top gear, the
opposite would be strange - given that no one forbids top gear .

It would be funny if during World War II the people suddenly decided to fight with sticks and spears - and leave the reserves of gunpowder and fuel until better times. So-so comparison, but reflects the idea.

Enter the PvP realm with forced loot: access only by invitation, by personal tokens, only with an alt client. Turn on the anti-cheat to the fullest and let people frolic. Having a skill-dependent way to get dressed in 1 day invalidates the argument about protracted farming without leading to a glut of the economy.
We knit tokens on a mobile phone and ban cheaters by phone numbers, 21st year at the palace.

Sweety_Mustard wrote: the
opposite would be strange - given that no one prohibits top gear.

It would be funny if during World War II the people suddenly decided to fight with sticks and spears - and leave the reserves of gunpowder and fuel until better times. So-so comparison, but reflects the idea.
Well, during the Second World War (and still) there are all sorts of islands with savages who, in the event of an attack on them, would have fought with sticks. So your analogy of norms, but you have not fully considered it.
Whoever has gunpowder uses gunpowder, whoever doesn’t use something else.
If you just want to fight in an interesting way, then just find yourself an opponent in the same category as you. I assure you that in the category "there are skuldder and shako" there are dozens or even hundreds of times more players than majors with enigmas, it is also ten times easier to find an opponent, respectively, all you need is to knock out an idiotic thought from one of them that he was "early pvp", imposed by those very pests, enigmo-agitators.