fair pvp / tvt + small survey (Diablo 2)

and who determines this normality?
firkax, aren't they the players? ) the world does not close on pg, someone just gritted his teeth and faded away, where IM is "normal". and someone stayed. But I think, if you just try to unsubscribe above pvpshnikov (pgshnyh), or any RainInTheNight, hardly anyone will take seriously your extreme "pvp can be done without gear." and it's not about "propaganda")

in the category "there is a skuldder and a shako"
you can't catch up in any way that in your leper colony DO NOT STOP people from wanting to dress up better than the enemy and "therefore" (and maybe that's why) to win? (

Obsessed
isn't a player? )
niblogodori

aren't the players?
And since when did all sorts of enigmoagitators become the majority?
in the desire to dress up better than the enemy
I did not deny this, and pvp has nothing to do with it. Dressing up, no matter what opponents, is a continuous process throughout the ladder. But this does not mean that you have to wait for the mythical "found all the gear and now I will finally play (pvp for example)". I repeat, this sabotage campaign is being conducted by a narrow circle of people.
but the rest will farm the rune on the fortik, and not stick to the duress
And I'll explain it again with this apt example. Here you have a duress today, in a day / week / month / year (depending on the activity of the game) forti. So what? Today you can fight in duress, and then in forti. Yes, duress is most likely (but not for everyone) not the final version of the gear, but nevertheless it is one of the options in which there is no better gear yet. And the forti is also not the final version of the gear, after it there will be a viper (on a light sork instead of a zealot), and then something else. Everything changes, but how the changes end, they usually make a reset - to throw out from the server those who are tired of changing (and those who have been nagging for the whole season for the sake of the mythical "then I will play" - they are demoralized by this) and give new interest to those who still want.

And since when did all sorts of enigmoagitators become the majority?
firkax, but what does the majority have to do with it? ))) I wrote that everyone made their choice. and if we talk about the majority, then it still does not solve ;-)

pvp has nothing to do
with it. it is in pvp that the race "Vasya smolls have 19 hp, I have 20 - I will win" much sharper than in pvm. and prices for perf items break much more than for conditional ~ perf Grief pb.

I will explain again
Yes, you at least explain yourself, but people cannot be altered, people want better and would rather drag them to this unfortunate fort. but they will not be happy without eni, which allows you to make a number of bilds, which are simply impossible without her. and they, of course, like a tablecloth, you don't have to write this, and so everything is already clear)) the only thing is that, as for me, your stupid attempts to analyze everyone according to a typical model and draw conclusions from what someone is demoralized. For example, I am demoralized by your activities; D

Well, “norm” is something average, that is, first of all, the majority. And you write strangely - they made a choice, but for some reason they do not decide - one contradicts the other.

As for pvp in general - well, you yourself did not participate in what you are describing (I will find 20 hp instead of 19 to win and the like). Where did you get this from? In the context of pvp, this is no more than the average. You are looking for a perf vulture or a tar, all this increases the char's combat capability (however, the silence 19 sun 20 is more likely self-hypnosis) and it doesn't matter whether you are fighting a player or a mob. And they are also show-offs and they exist even if you do not fight at all. Those who are richer start to deal with them.

yes, you at least explain yourself, but people cannot be altered, people want better and would rather drag on this unfortunate fort
But where did I argue that they want the best? But it does not appear immediately and not by itself. And this is not an obstacle to the game, but in many ways just its essence.

but for some reason they do not solve
firkax, you again maliciously and manipulatively missed the keyword. ;-)

which one?

firkax, do you want to read or scroll on the mouse? : D in short, I am merging with the "discussion", because it is about tastes and would not have changed anything from the beginning) reminds something of a conversation "- Mikhail Sergeevich, all the chickens are dead! - Yes? It's a pity. I still have so many fresh ideas. .. "

“Everything changes, but how the changes end, they usually make a reset - to throw out from the server those who are tired of changing (and those who have been nagging for the whole season for the sake of the mythical" then I will play "- they are demoralized by this)”

Briefly about the motivation of resets.

I'm looking at the topic, few people have unsubscribed, probably now it will be unlikely to host a TV with a decent number of participants - therefore, for a regular tour.
Regarding the ES forty - it would be possible to carry out this tour in the test version with the rule from the organizer that after BM if the Esca on snakes does not win in the first 5 minutes. - she is autoloaded

D1aa
yes on the last tour - it was decent for the people. 8 couples gathered .. Not all of them, of course, would have gone to tv. but maybe someone else would have lured)

D1aa wrote:
if the esca on snakes does not win,
only everything is so tactfully forgotten about the traps a few tourists ago) it is
generally quite difficult to kill anyone who just squeezed the TP or jumps over the corner of the court with a number of traps ... -then, on the contrary, it gives a little more impudence (once a minute, how xD will get xD).

In general, transfer all battles to the snake! No timeouts. Only the map should be more conveniently generated ..
Well, or somewhere else, such as the site of the Hell Forge. It is convenient to run there, sometimes it is generated right around the corner from the VP (+ Act 4 itself is convenient for revival) and there are probably few sales loks.





and finally .. Th srachik then stalled ?!

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D1aa wrote:
Regarding the es forty - it would be possible to carry out this tour in the test version with the rule from the organizer that after the bm if the eska on snakes does not win in the first 5 minutes. - she autoluz
only to take into account the balance of the pair and the priority of attack / defense ... If eska did not kill the druid or traps in 5 minutes, then this is hardly her problem ... :)

there is something to correct and and play with the rules on your own tour to the organizer, there would be participants

we are getting closer and closer to the dream of maryazozg, when one Persian will be awarded a defeat against another simply because, according to the rules, his class must lose;

there were times when all the fair rules fit into one page and were intuitively clear to all participants,

although I then they didn't like

Firk, conduct the tour according to your own rules / or without them - I will participate with pleasure

what a shit that stalled ?!
DELETEEND, I have everything here. :-)