Poverty
All around the impoverished. And I don't even a new monitor to buy. And you, too, a beggar?Rolemanser
Just said not interested. Now unfortunately knows this whole house and yard, and among them I now I Foshyst Pindos)) Grandmother saying, ish you, I'm here for 9 thousand per month. my floors, but he refused from 40K, oooo mother gave birth to a moron
YamyyYamyy
You have in Krasnoyarsk has its own atmosphere ))) But most of all surprised me out there jam of currant in plastic poltorashka...
рimpf
So in my opinion is already out. Money is sacred in the 21st century. Now, few people think about why he treads this light, the contemplation of the beauty of this world, art, about whether he likes his job. Everyone's eyes only money. Often see if people offer much money, they are ready to pounce like jackals, not even asking what the job is all ready to give: time, health.
YamyyYamyy
Well done. To go against their own beliefs, then go against him. Happiness in this way is not exactly find.
Damn, but I don't get a new monitor...although I don't need him, I have an old three lying around, just in case.
Whine we all love, these are small pleasures, which do not deny yourself, but seriously think about the problem, mostly it turns out that there is no money because there is no motivation to have them. If you have a family or is there an expensive hobby, you have to go and earn money, but if you have nowhere to spend it, there is no sense to work for a bunch of paper. And in this there is no contradiction with what I wrote earlier. The problem of slave wages is not so much that they are low, but the fact that they are inherently an insult. You throw a couple of candy wrappers in the mud you crawled in it and hate it.
So it turns out that if you count my assets in rubles, I like polubog, and if from the point of view of needs, like as not in need of anything except what money can't buy.
MrR4in wrote:
Money is sacred in the 21st century. Now, few people think about why he treads this light, the contemplation of the beauty of this world, art, about whether he likes his job.
Oh, what a profound from the point of view of understanding the historiography of mankind, a judgment...
Indeed, it is what it is: love to the financial benefits - the know-how of the 21st century, and in all the previous centuries, people were distinguished by remarkable selflessness.
To take at least the middle ages, the heyday of altruism. It and is clear: the work of the all was not then the dusty (and, apparently, all very much)- or Pasha land from sunrise to beyond the grave, or in the battle each other toes with the feet chop, Yes guts out. Yes, and depended on received no such troublesome classes means not a lot: just how many of your children survive to adulthood without dying from hunger. Not surprisingly, people to money treated is easy: gather, sometimes in the evening at a village meeting, and will distribute all their earnings to the poor. And then sit down, hands will take and give Kumbaya sing, Yes, Kafka with Schopenhauer to discuss - people were highly spiritual, not like the current.
Still, a relaxed attitude to property in human history, well looked through in regards to property crimes - apparently it's from indifference to money thieves of all time were cut hands, a sly stamp on the face, and Kono, for example, the sneaking, tore the stolen steeds alive into pieces.
And most of all able to show their fiscal restraint and moderation in the luxury of knowing all kinds. People, only, throughout the history of mankind, made simply incomprehensible crimes, massacred entire families (sometimes their relatives) had robbed from the people howl and pushed him to war solely in order to exalt ourselves over others, and ,in particular, to spit in the eye of the impoverished mob with their insanely expensive locks, outfits, utensils and victuals, which we now can happily be viewed in museums and historic works.
So Yes, people have always been people, and just gold, do not feed bread, but give me someone to share. But in the last century, something blossomed, a direct finger in the mouth do not put.
In General, I've always admired people who believe that things were"cleaner and kinder. Apparently notions of humanity they form on the books of sir Walter Scott (if not Prof. Tolkien) and the Code of the Builder of communism.
YamyyYamyy
plug them opposition channels in the idiot box instead of propaganda.
Determinants
Where is the altruism, purity and kindness has always been such and such people, but the world is constantly changing.
To say something about the person that time is extremely difficult, but definitely the perception of people differs enormously from today.
As for the money, the fact of the matter is that while they were there mostly for food, consumer range was very narrow, had no choice, all the comfort equip with their own hands, in the area all knew each other and more engaged in the consolidation and extension.
No wonder on the subject of money there are many books and sayings that they do not bring happiness and it was true, and what to do with them man with a narrow range of needs? Wipe or what? You will fill the whole cellar with gold ornaments, and then what? There were other values, and such a Vice as greed was only the most ignorant of people, who in addition to excessive accumulation and troubles gave nothing.
In today's consumer world it's quite the opposite, bed, they do not bring(unless you're stupid), they did not encroach, to dispose of as you wish, opportunities - life is not enough as before not bored, but all tied to money. That is what a NORMAL person 2к18 committed, committed life.
It is clear that in different countries the perception is also different, I mainly speak for ours. As for me on the same West to include more money as a tool(that is in the foreground, other values), and rightly so, they the capitalist world and built, and gradually begin to something to come, there and its dirt enough but they continue to build and remain civilized world.
Well, about our I wrote above. Most interested in personal enrichment by any means, and all that is beyond the threshold, dirt, ruin, does not concern you.
Well, the question is, how can further it, the time is coming.
рimpf
рimpf wrote:
No wonder on the subject of money there are many books and sayings that they do not bring happiness and it was true
You mean tales of the brothers Grimm? What serious books about the middle ages( or other time periods) you have read?
рimpf wrote:
consumer circle was very narrow, had no choice, all the comfort equip their own hands
Yeah, especially to know the merchants, priests, and other veterans of intellectual work, sat all day and had planed a bed, sewed shoes and , apparently, themselves gave birth gave birth to a horse. With regards to people easier...I'm sorry, but how old are you? And then, I look at such concepts as the use of alcoholic beverages, purchase of paid love services, and investment in own farm/business you are not familiar with.
рimpf wrote:
There were other values, and such a Vice as greed was only the most ignorant of people, who in addition to excessive accumulation and troubles gave nothing.
The source of this information? Know all wealthy people were dumber and unhappier than the poor peasants who have children dead of starvation? Interesting logic.
рimpf wrote:
In today's consumer world it's quite the opposite, bed, they do not bring(unless you're stupid), they did not encroach, to dispose of as you want
I see about life in our time, you have an equally uninformed opinions like about life in other times. Committed about 800,000 thefts per year, nearly 200,000 robberies, I'm not talking about fraud.
рimpf wrote:
That is what a NORMAL person 2к18 committed, committed life.
Apparently in my environment some unusual people - most of the good provided, but no money life is not committed. In fact, I do not remember to have seen people who would devote life exclusively to the earnings. Are you sure you did not invent these people? And very curious, you do something, what is life?
рimpf wrote:
As for me on the same West to include more money as a tool(that is in the foreground, the other values)
In any Western countries you visited? On what do you base this assertion?
Determinants
Determinant wrote:
And very curious, you do something, what is life?
Why limit yourself to dedicate something in my life?
Wing42
The limitations will depend on the subject of initiation. If you decided to become a recluse in the cell, then Yes, life will be, and if they have, for example, to devote himself to science, then your horizons of life will seriously podraschivat compared to the freedom-loving, anything itself does not dedicate a car mechanic. In General, the initiation, as I understand it, does not mean out in some area, it's just a results of high priority to some job.
But specifically in this case, I asked this question because sir feels bad about the fact that someone, as it seems, dedicates his life to earning money, so in his life, he apparently sees a certain antithesis to this phenomenon. I'd love to get acquainted with it. And as far as I can judge by experience, most advocates of capitalism are soulless the same way as the capitalists themselves, no aspirations, and, accordingly, any achievements.
Determinants
Well, then, the soul aches for a soulless the rich, all his life seeking wealth. Or is he just envies them.
Determinants
It seems we are talking about different things, merchants, priests, officials, is that the majority? With them everything is clear, I originally started talking about an ORDINARY person, a peasant, a worker, a citizen of the country, call it what you want - most of them, I asked for their mass consciousness on your part, I have not seen any objective evaluation, the pure altruism thrown, something about merchants and thieves begin, like all Russia consisted entirely of thieves in those days, and but chaos there was nothing. Yes, definitely a theme with the dragons escalates, for example, in revolutionary periods, it is also interesting, but again not the question.
Determinant wrote:
Apparently in my environment some unusual people - most of the good provided, but no money life is not committed. In fact, I do not remember to have seen people who would devote life exclusively to the earnings. Are you sure you did not invent these people?
Visit almost any city in the country(Let's just not talk about Sochi and the capital(although it is not so good)), the naked eye can see that the environment where they live, or their threshold as I said before, everything is extremely awful, your area is horrible clinic, there are no roads, cheap furnished courtyards(I hope it is clear what I mean) people total apathy and other than personal enrichment are not interested in anything(just a thought), and that they are interested in that? Buy cars, iPhones but continue to live in shit, what does it say?
As for the European countries, too, view the status of their hospitals, schools, roads, streets, porches, yards , products, completely different level, but in some countries, there are poor areas, where they could argue and make a comparison with ours, but even there it looks more civilized. What does this mean? They use their tool correctly.
We have to work more. We have to work more and more to sell themselves on the labour market. But it all depends on the region in which someone lives. We have Volgograd region of the bottom, but if spinning on butter with bread to earn at the expense of factories and construction.
PS: I am also poor, only relatively more than the rich. My daughter was born need a bigger car and want to change with Rio on Sportazh. Yes, that's not enough money. Probably again get into loans.
рimpf
рimpf wrote:
merchants, priests, officials, is that the majority?
This raises a number of questions. First, why do you think that the moral splendour of the need to evaluate not decent people, and for the poor, uneducated and meaningless layers? If you are a foreigner asked you to describe Russia 18-19х centuries in the people, you whom he called, quite wealthy Lomonosov, Pushkin, or most of the illiterate poor peasants? Second, what makes you think that Russian, or any other peasants had outstanding moral character and unselfishness? Most of them spawn a spear in his pocket was not, all life is a bag of potatoes planted, three dug, one gave the master, one ate, one again planted. Thus, we have no idea how they relate to the financial benefits, however, no reason to believe that they did not want, I do not see. Moreover, if someone of them schastlivloy become a successful fist into patronage, they clearly did not fall. And thirdly, you have the world stake on the peasants gone? Except for peasants and nobles there has always been a middle class: artisans, merchants, mercenaries, officials, people who could, wanted and was making money. Why are you on them a moral portrait of the population do not draw, they are worse than peasants?
рimpf wrote:
peasant, a worker, a citizen of the country, call it what you want - most of them
What a complete mess you have - you have listed three very different, non-overlapping categories of people. Peasants-the peasants, workers that do not understand who - whether forced laborers, whether hired day laborers, whether voluntary professionals - artisans, whom it is not clear, but in any case, it is strange to believe that they were disinterested, and the citizens it is not a occupation, and social status. According to Aristotle, a citizen is a person who can influence the management of the country whose citizen he is. That is, it is clear that neither the peasants nor the workers in Russia, nothing to do with citizens were not.
рimpf wrote:
all very terrible, in your area is horrible clinic, there are no roads, cheap furnished courtyards(I hope it is clear what I mean) people total apathy and in addition to personal enrichment interests nothing
Again, some strange mixture of everything in one pile. Unimproved yards is by thieving officials. It is not clear why you ask such things with ordinary people. You are being offered: first, to pay taxes, for the improvement of these yards, and then, when bureaucrats the money is usurped, a simple man have not the car to buy new, and again their money at a public farm to give? Maybe it is not the universal greed, and that people are mentally healthy, and I prefer to provide at least the benefits that are possible, not to pump infinite money into the corrupt system? Take any African country, there is also a complete ruin, people, however, do not buy their iPhones and cars. So, perhaps it is not that buy or do not buy a common people, and in the power in the country?
рimpf wrote:
view the status of their hospitals, schools, roads, streets, porches, yards , products, completely different level,
Yes, but they just buy their iPhones, expensive cars, and generally a very good living and appreciate the comfort. Just the governments of these countries don't wipe their feet on their own people as worthless, pathetic, stupid cattle, and spending government budgets in the right areas. But this does not mean that the Europeans\Americans as one highly spiritual altruists. Strictly speaking, the term consumer society” came to us from the West.
Determinant wrote:
Take any African country, there is also a complete ruin, people, however, do not buy their iPhones and cars.
Foreign cars (his rattletrap does not produce) often pinch the tail to its passengers. And living in the iPhones wizards steal a fortune from their owners.
Therefore, bananas, bananas, bananas....
Spoiler...and again bananas