Return to the slave system / serfdom

What is happening now is also partly the merit of the United States. Everyone knows perfectly well how they defend the rights of the "oppressed" peoples by bombing the cities. I have never been a supporter of the policy that "our" authorities are now pursuing and I am not a fan of the "head" of our state, but excuse me, you need to figure it out yourself and certainly without the help of the United States. At least the Soviets had an idea, but now what? And they didn't work there for free.

finally they looked at the end, they don’t pay anything. I don’t have enough for tanks, posons!

There were two socialisms in the USSR: real - Stalin's and pseudo - after his death. Under the first, Trotskyists-saboteurs were imprisoned in the camps, under the second, honest workers who did not agree to bend under the Jewish policy.
Now the Greeks have scored on the IMF and other burry riff-raff.

I will say in the words of an assassin: the author is a blissful fool who is chasing a rainbow

Mayamenstate

And as soon as the idea of ​​the people appears in power in Russia, the offensive from Europe will immediately disappear

How naive you are.

Mayamenstate and if the US defends the rights of all countries, then why don't they defend the rights of the people in Russia?

The answer is as simple as three pennies... The United States defends the rights in all countries (only its own: its own rights and interests).

at the beginning I thought that the TS was talking about Ukraine, because I don’t see this in Russia

why they do not protect the rights of the people in Russia?
go for permanent residence in the United States, and you will be happy ... maybe some cop will shoot you there ...

Setesh
And in vain, however, sometimes you need to wipe your eyes) at our work, the salary has not been raised for 6 years, and the housing and communal services somehow do not forget to raise the prices of food as well :-(

Mayamenstate
Well, saa0891 already answered you here. Why the hell do they care about us when they have enough problems of their own.
Of course, I agree that the increase in food prices is clearly not proportional to the increase in wages, but all because the law does not enshrine the principle of increasing wages in accordance with inflation (again, official and real inflation are different things).

Mayamenstate

Increasing taxes, tariffs for housing and communal services, cutting social benefits, pensions, abolishing benefits, raising the retirement age, refusing to index wages, pensions, social benefits or their disproportionate indexation - this is all a veiled return to the slave system / serfdom,

This is called capitalism . Welcome to the real world, author. This happens in all countries of the world due to the deterioration of economies due to the crisis.

when slaves / serfs worked, and they were not paid anything for it at all.

So we have capitalism - this is its essence. Get super profits, while with minimal costs.

Under socialism, people also worked just like that,

Under socialism, people worked for a fixed rate, which was enough for everything, and they were also social. guarantees, housing, etc.

thinking that they are working for an idea, and when they realized that they were simply being used as slaves, then after that they ended up in camps. Can you give

examples of such citizens? Ah here is "worked, hop and in camp"?
And with specific ones - first name, last name, article.

You have to say no to the authorities. Let them breathe. Why should people die?
The people also have rights,

Is there any program of action?!

and if the US defends the rights in all countries,

I'm afraid to ask - the bombing of Yugoslavia, the War in Korea and Vietnam, the occupation of Iraq, the prisons of Guantanamo, Phu Quoc and Abu Ghraib, what rights were protected in them, just don't know? Also - how many rights they defended in the DRC (however, they successfully mine coltan in it), and the last question is that scandal with Blackwater International, well, when the guys of this PMC shot civilians in Iraq, was it an installation protecting the rights of citizens or what?

why don't they protect the rights of the people in Russia?

Indeed, we have a lot of different pgavozaschYtnegs, all sorts of Helsinki groups and other necrosnegurochek Alekseevs - why don't they protect your rights? Where do they spend international grants?

A simple inhabitant of the Earth does NOT need a castle, a yacht and other goodies, luxury. This is what bad people need. The main thing now is to understand what YOU need and what you are ready to do for this, given the realities of our modern world ...

Mayamenstate
slaves, then after that they ended up in camps, so as not to spread their bad influence on the rest.
Being a cog in a single mechanism (society and state), a citizen is obliged to work. Basically. Don't mess around that is. And then the most interesting thing: to work there and do what you like/interest, or not? This is where capitalism is worse: money decides in choosing a profession, and not the fact whether you like it or not. Lucky is the one who has an interesting job that coincides with a good income from it, but not everyone has that much ...
In Russia, in this regard, of course, there are a lot of problems. Your average salary is 30,000 rubles, right? The salary of a deputy of about 400,000 is absurd. And this is not counting the shadow income, which, of course, many of them have (who does not believe: check the deputies on a polygraph, because you don’t care). Yes, in Estonia, the average salary is just over a thousand euros (consider how much it would be for you), but you have gasoline / diesel almost twice as cheap)
But of course you need to talk about the problems of your country, you need to. The question is, who should do it? Kasyanov from another country? )) Laughter ...

"And as soon as the idea of ​​the people appears in power in Russia, the offensive from Europe will immediately disappear. Or, at least, it will weaken in proportion to the concern for the people."
And I thought you were smarter and did not succumb to political propaganda. But it's forgivable if it's the result of your naivety. I hope it was naivety - to believe the West and the Europeans. Like, they know how to live. Haha..

Under socialism, everything was common, more precisely, everything belonged to the state ....
Housing was official, cars were also official.
Bullshit, just like everything else. Heh heh...

In any state system, there are slaves and their masters. The third did not give - such is the nature of man. It’s just that now everything is a little more civilized than in the twentieth faith and before. The only difference is that in a totalitarian and socialist state slavery is obvious, while in democratic and capitalist states it is veiled.

Just now noticed that we are slipping into the 19th century?

The people also have rights, and if the US defends the rights in all countries, then why does it not protect the rights of the people in Russia?
This naivety just killed.

The_Bulldozer
Under socialism, people worked for a fixed rate, which was enough for everything, and they were also social. guarantees, housing, etc.

What was enough? People have been saving up for TV for several years. Volga or Zhiguli were the ultimate dream that only a few could afford.
And now you can go and buy a TV set for half a salary without any problems. It's the same with a car: some prior or 15th (and the choice is now much wider) can be afforded by most working people. But no, they must be given X6 or Kruzak.

What was enough? People have been saving up for TV for several years. Volga or Zhiguli were the ultimate dream that only a few could afford.

But there was a goal, albeit a material one, but a goal. And now? Everything is kind of plastic. There is not even a little seedy dream, except for the one called "Dream - to repay the loan as soon as possible"

PS And in material terms, we now live many times better. Everything is there, you can drive everywhere, except Hohland.
I'm ok.

.... and then I hit my head on the toilet door, I look - I'm sitting on the floor, my legs to the left and right of the toilet - I fell.
This is how you have to get drunk. You, my friend, are an alcosaur.

King of the World

What was enough?

I don’t know about you, mine had enough for everything.

People have been saving up for TV for several years.

What uzhOs, go yet AshDiTiVi.
I’ll tell you a secret - for several years they saved up for TV all over the world for a reason. . . nanotechnological process at that time. And yet there was no 3D, yes. What dark and terrible times.

Volga or Zhiguli were the ultimate dream that only a few could afford.

The question is - what for?! In those days, it was much easier to travel by train, especially on trips. The machine was basically a measure of phallometry and show-offs.

And now you can go and buy a TV set for half a salary without any problems.

Like a computer, which in those days was extremely expensive entertainment (before the advent of professional segments). What does this tell us? It seems to me about the unification of the process and the reduction in the cost of production, and not about. . .

It's the same with a car: some prior or 15th (and the choice is now much wider) can be afforded by most working people.

Working for 50 mowers and without a family (and as far as possible from Moscow)? Quite possible. Let's just add one of the nuances, and the maximum that you can afford is a BU or a loan.

Mayamenstate

But there are people on the other side too.

And what ?

If then the articles "priest", "fist", "nobleman" were executions, then what can we talk about?

Very strange, because I did not find such articles. Your "priest" made up into a camp because of the help of the bandit underground, organized by the citizen "kulak", who found it more difficult to rob their fellow villagers. Well, a nobleman. . . it could well have been 121.
You specifically cite the cases of specific citizens, with their full names and articles.

All those who did not emigrate then from Russia, they were all killed.

That is, thousands of tsarist officers, civil servants, policemen, doctors, and other personnel who remained in the union and built awesome careers - apparently, were zombies. Evil NKVD has mastered the art of necromancy. . .

And all why? Because all the nobles of Tsarist Russia were then mestizos of Russians and Europeans. It was a genetic purge of the Russian people from Russian-Europeans, that is, the nobles who were them.

The nobles in tsarist Russia were rare scum for the most part, as were the aforementioned priests (who drank, and had women, and so on) and kulaks (google what the word "fist" means) who spread rot on their fellow villagers in the famine years. Maybe that's why they and that one, huh?! And after all not all, however.

Capitalism is an investment of money with a return.

Capitalism is about making money for the purpose of maximizing profit and minimizing costs. Investing money is an investment.
An example of capitalism is perfectly visible in the DRC. Where corporations, under the cover of PMCs and local gorillas, quietly mine coltan, using local ones and using it far from humanely. At the same time, often without the knowledge of the authorities of the Congo itself (any authorities). Thanks to this, such trash and waste is going on there that even the glorious knights of the UN piss to go beyond Kinshasa - because it is fraught with repeating Mogadishu.

Socialism is an investment of money without return.

Investment of whom and where???

Russia is not currently launching spacecraft to explore the Moon, Venus, Mars and other planets of the solar system and their satellites. Because Russia now has "capitalism", or what?

Ahhh.
Finally got it right?! At this rate, you will soon learn that the USA is not a British colony. . .
And yes, it does start. Recently, the truck has been successfully launched.

And why is NASA now launching spacecraft to explore the Moon, Venus, Mars and other planets of the solar system and their satellites?

Launched a truck recently, huh. The poor fellow could not go beyond the planet.

It's just that in Russia everything always happens "with an excess of the stick" / with a cry of "cheers". We could stop for a second, just take it and stop. So no, like "scalded with boiling water"

Indeed, they could, like some, just rob their neighbors. Make wars and stuff. Generally goofed.

Complete nonsense. Under socialism, everything was common, more precisely, everything belonged to the state.

*Sobs.
As I understand it, the individual peasants, who successfully survived for the whole of Stalin and even collected donations for the front, apparently lived in spite of. I'll tell you a secret, but it was under him that private artels flourished, producing everything (except for the defense industry), and made conveniently for the state. and for private traders, because the prices for raw materials were fixed (which did not allow a number of citizens to receive donations from the difference) and enterprises received bonuses - from 2 years of work without taxes.

And the state itself decided who should have how much / how much of what who should have, and not the person himself.

Well, go to the director of your enterprise and demand the amount you need. Tell me where he sent you.

Housing was official

. Can you proof?!

cars were also official.

I'm afraid to ask - at the engineer Gavrilov, the car was also a service car and to whom it was listed then, because he can swear that he bought it. . .

That is, upon dismissal from work / position, a person was obliged to give his official apartment / official car to the one who would take his place of work / position.

This maximum concerned a room in a hostel, a maximum, because the hostels were often attributed to the enterprise, and if it was on the balance sheet of the city, then nothing changed. Exactly there were also cars - official, which is logical, remained in the enterprise.

And when moving to another city (by position), a person without housing, without a car, with a piece of paper in his hand, received the same housing and the same car from the state again.

What ???

And only upon retirement, taking into account the length of service of at least 25 years, positive characteristics, bonuses, diplomas with a portrait of Lenin, a service apartment / company car was assigned to a person for personal use.

I'm sorry, but where is it written? It is desirable to complete the document and a reference.

But even in this case, he could no longer sell his personal apartment / personal car,

*Recalls the brokers of the old days.
*Crying.
Oh lol.

The money was handed out only in the form of wages.

And why else should they be issued ???

Anything more was subject to criminal liability.

Well, yes, it is logical.

It was impossible not to work in the Soviet Union.
Even all the homeless (after dismissal from work/position and seizure by the state of official housing)

For a second, you just told me that they gave me housing for free? Can you decide?

they were caught from the station and taken to a brick factory, where they were provided with a hostel, free food, a shower, a color TV, work experience with a salary that they drank away (but that's another question).

Oh, that is, all the same, they made people out of the homeless, yeah.

A person could live only in the village.
A man could not live in a city; in a city a man could only work.

I take it you don't have to work in the countryside?!

If only because, where will a person get money to pay for utilities if he just lives in the city? Therefore, housing in the city could only be official.

It is possible examples of official housing and such cases in jur. paktike the USSR, preferably with documents, because I have a feeling that you are lying.

Informal income was not recognized because the informal structures themselves were not recognized.

They are not recognized anywhere.

Or they were recognized, but without money, as a hobby, for which a person will not even be paid, for which a person himself will still have
to pay (as now, for the Internet, a computer, a tennis court, a swimming pool).

I'm afraid to ask - for what kind of hobby do they officially pay now ?! As I understand it, you have free internet, right?!

All these human rights activists in Russia are funded by the West not to protect the rights of the people, but to destroy Russia.

Wait a minute, how can that be? What have we missed?

It's just that the CIA did not want to be "waiters" for these countries - to serve them with antibiotics, hormones, vitamins, minerals ...

That is, the United States simply robbed them for profit?

with all the ensuing consequences.

That is, following your logic, Russia should do the same - plunder smaller countries, organize blacksights, torture local dissenters, take out museum valuables, arrange terror and experiments on natives?

I just wanted to say that the people should not feel the problems of the state.

If you are not satisfied with the problems of the state of which you are a citizen (and citizenship is primarily a responsibility), then please take a tractor and get the hell out of it. True, where, in fact, they are waiting for you everywhere. . . the same responsibility. Except to the moon.

That is, the state must make sure that its problems / state do not concern the people.

Google the meaning of the word state. You will learn a lot.

If the workers of the plant began to receive less, then this is not their problem, but the state.

These are the problems of the owner of the plant. We have capitalism, sir. There are very few factories left.

and because of these problems, the state suffers / turned out to be extreme.

Because of what problems of the state do the workers of the plant of entrepreneur "A" suffer?!

And so that their lives do not change / worsen because of this, the hobby fees of these factory workers need to be reduced.

What to lower the fee for? Who should reduce? How can the state force a private person to do something?
Let's make up your mind - do you want a state that completely controls all aspects (from wages and water in the tap, to the color of grass on the lawn) of life, or that does not control them in principle, otherwise it's somehow strange - then the state must do something then "rights and freedoms". . .

The workers of the plant began to receive less because of the problems of the state,

Secunda, the payment was lowered by the decision of the director, owner or board of directors (or whatever the governing body is). How is the state involved in this? Does the term "invisible hand of the market" mean anything?

and the fees for their hobbies (internet, computer, tennis court, swimming pool) have been raised even further.

Again - what does the state have to do with it if all these hobbies are private?

She should have been lowered,

Why would a private trader lower something?! Sfigali?!
Okay, give me 15 mowers of greenery. What does "you don't want" mean? But you should, you are a private trader, and I am the people - I suffer, yes.

so that they do not feel the decrease in their wages because of the problems of the state.

Yeah, that is, now private traders also owe you something. . . well, well, get your provider to lower prices, come on, he's going to the state. Has nothing to do with it, I think. . . I think I know where he will send you.

warp 37
In any political system, there are slaves and their masters. The third did not give - such is the nature of man.
This is the nature of most people. And nature is like this because morality / spirituality (ND) is still poorly developed. There are people who have a higher level of ND, so they are your third option. But there are few of them, they are dispersed all over the world. Gather them in one state, and there will be a paradise with true democracy and justice without the elite, slaves and shepherds.
In general, you are right, most people are too vicious and spineless, alas. But not all. Well, not all.

Mayamenstate
I just wanted to say that the people should not feel the problems of the state. That is, the state must make sure that its problems / state do not concern the people.
Agree. But it turns out the other way around: it is the people who, for some reason, must bear the burden of repaying the public debt. For example, Greece and Ukraine. Now every resident there suddenly owes hundreds or thousands of dollars to foreign creditors, paying only the interest on the debt. It's absurd. The authorities make mistakes, but the people will pay .. and not the oligarchs in power ...
Better don’t talk about alcohol, I have an aversion to drunks) The feeling is so negative, it comes from within, it can’t be explained, it’s just true. Well, it's like looking at poop on the street. Here is an analogy. What could it be? I can only guess, but there is probably nothing wrong with that. These alcoholics cloud their minds ..

In the Soviet Union it was impossible not to work.
And it is right. Lazy people are a useless mass, the mechanism of society will not work so well. A divided society cannot be firm, strong and united, cannot adequately unite and resist the enemy if something happens.
Homeless people were caught and sent to factories? And they did it right! Now I would have caught all the homeless people and made people out of them, and whoever is not able to become a normal citizen again, is generally at an expense, because it’s not good.

The_Bulldozer
Nobles in Tsarist Russia were rare scum for the most part...
I agree. Approximately the same scum as many modern officials. And this applies to the whole world, not just Russia.