Return to the slave system / serfdom
---a big difference between modernity and the above described is that a person is a slave only to his pitch or console or whatever else he has there.
the only difference with the Soviet Union is that a person was obliged to work officially. if he did not work, a raven would come for him and he would start working.
similarly with a slave, if he did not want to work, he received penal anal lashes. returned on a virtual plane from the other side of the galaxy and began to work.
However, in Russia there is such a thing that a person is perceived not so much as a person, but as a kind of resource. but this does not apply to the plan of his social and material position.
Mayamenstate
Need to say no to the authorities. Let them breathe. Why should people die? The people also have rights, and if the US defends the rights in all countries, then why does it not protect the rights of the people in Russia?
I never understood such personalities. Does the USA protect rights in all countries? And what exactly is it expressed in? If it’s so good in the USA, so what are you doing in Russia? Sell a kidney or save up and move there, and in Russia there will be one liberal-minded less than a person. And as I understand it, the state is to blame for all human troubles? And this is under capitalism, right? Ahh, I understand everything with you.
Serfdom was tied to the physical exploitation of the peasants. The right to move was impossible and limited to work in manufactories. Now nothing prevents an ordinary citizen from quitting his job and selling an apartment, for example, when in the 19th century, after the abolition of serfdom, a ransom had to be paid for freedom. Of course, there are elements of serfdom, tied to the economic lack of will of certain countries of the post-Soviet space, but no more.
The_Bulldozer
Stalker left when he realized that here a year ago (one and a half even) Lemon forbade discussing the topic of Ukraine) And he became unrealistically bored.
A.Soldier of Light The
stalker left when he realized that here a year ago (one and a half even) Lemon forbade discussing the topic of Ukraine) And he became unrealistically bored.
Ahaha. He was tired of merging time after time? It happens. Well, now he can sing about feces with Makarevich and have a group sex with a mattress with Shenderovich.
Mayamenstate
If Greece were to resume long-range aviation flights in this situation, what would it look like? Like a mockery of the people.
It's amazing to compare completely different countries in different situations.
Is it really incomprehensible that they don’t need long-range aviation flights, they don’t need Crimea, they just need to make fun of the people.
Well, monsieur is a telepath, monsieur knows better. . .
As during the Holodomor in 1937, the USSR sent all the grain to starving Africa to build socialism there.
Do you understand that if I ask for a proof, then you will crap beautifully, right ???
What Africa?! What kind of socialism in Africa?! Before World War II, Africa was colonial, the natives began to drive Europeans from there much later, then Indochina joined, etc. And they drove long and cruelly. What kind of blacks can we talk about during the period of industrialization of the USSR and preparations for war?!
What famine? There was a famine that engulfed some part of the Union, despite the fact that the reasons there were far from "someone took out the grain", but there were weather conditions, etc.
And the people of the USSR, who grew and harvested this grain, let them die.
There are 3 options here:
1) You are an uneducated fool, because only a fool can carry all this nonsense and get confused in terms.
2) You are an uncomplicated elf-headed one, because I saw such kosher nonsense (Negroes in the 37th, yes) only in a hump-building light (next to Zhdanov's cakes).
3) You are a fat trololo, although for knowing history you are double-banned in a diary.
And honestly, I don't even know if all the options are perfect. . . I won't be surprised at anything.
Mayamenstate
Everything that I write, I write based on what people who lived at that time told me
And of course they could not lie to you.
Do you know how many non-Polish people I have seen? a ton. And you know what? Everyone lied. Everyone was repressed "nothing", but then it turned out that the daughter of a tsarist officer sat down for theft, the one who sat down for a joke turned out to be a recurrent participant in a gang raid (during which a family of 3 people died), and the other Petrosyan turned out to be a thief. Naturally, I simply have to believe you, your sources will not lie, although they have already crap with a certain "holodomor" and some blacks in the 37th. . .
I don't know what kind of people told you something there (they can only be your imagination, it would be understandable), so I only believe the facts,
official housing, official cars,
you give me a proof for this. Extracts from laws, etc.
famine,
which was not.
Is your source called "Roby the Swindler" for an hour? Well, the one who came up with 5 lemons "starved" and then admitted that he lied and wanted money?
and based on what I saw myself (a brick factory with such homeless workers, whom the police brought there from the station),
Naturally, you will not lie. I believe you.
and not based on what I read somewhere or watched on TV.
Yeah, especially about blacks in the 30s, yes. Do you understand that this is not even logical? That this is not only a primitive lie, it also does not fit in with facts and logic?
What the hell are you writing? 1/6 of the land with a population like that of Japan - what are the weather conditions?
Russia has always had risky farming. To dovibanu in history, one more in geography.
In the 32nd it was an extremely dry summer, moreover.
The NKVD came and took away all the grain from the peasants.
The NKVD is an analogue of the current Ministry of Internal Affairs. It was not her function to requisition valuables, monsieur balabol. It was the police force.
She had more important work, for example - the fight against kulak gangs, bandits, gopnichka and others.
And they died of hunger in the winter.
Non-existent people in the 37th from non-existent hunger? Oh, I'll go eat soup from the intellectuals in pince-nez. . .
And why did the Holodomor of 1937 coincide with the repressions of 1937?
The famine in the USSR was exactly 2 times in the 32nd and post-war. What kind of "hunger" on the 37th are we talking about? What are you carrying ? Lie more carefully.
And what kind of repression are we talking about in general? In the Gulag in the thickest years, 80-90% of the prisoners were criminals, 5-10% went political there, 20% was the peak when Trotskachs began to be caught. For all of Stalin, 6k+ people were sentenced to VMN, which, given the size of the territory and population, is a meager figure, and which is characteristic, these are not political, this is along with criminal articles.
Although yes, I won’t be surprised if Monsieur is rooting for the criminals who were on their way to success.
Weird coincidence, right?
You first tell me about some mythical "Golodomor" on the 37th. Moreover, it is documented, and not the fantasies of some balabols.
Mayamenstate
You talk about that world from this world,
I talk from facts.
sitting on antibiotics, hormones, vitamins, minerals.
And monsieur, as I understand it, is exclusively on drugs, that he sees some blacks when they were not there.
And then there was none of that.
Google quinine.
Google Fish
Oil Google Red Streptocide
Google. . . should I continue ?!
Then people always ate 3 times a day: in the morning - cereals, at lunch - the first (soup, cabbage soup, borscht) and the second (groats), in the evening - cereals.
It was absolutely impossible to miss something, otherwise there was a terrible feeling of hunger with gastric juice, which corroded everything. I generally ate 5 times a day - in between cereals, potatoes, vegetables. Moreover, I ate a (large) plate of cereals (peas, oats, wheat, buckwheat) in 5 minutes, went to school ... and there was nothing. To be honest, I didn't pay any attention to food at that time.
Very interesting information.
If something happens to you from peas, beans, oats, barley, then this only means that you are sick people.
I don't know what's going on with you, but quit drugs.
Well, the average peasant family in the 20-30s in the USSR spent 1000 buckets of potatoes a year (including cattle).
Proof to the studio. For tired of allegations.
And reasoning or repeating everything that happened then, based on the realities of today, is the same as understanding a drunk or mowing down a drunk while being sober.
So I'm trying to understand why you are pushing some anon's nonsense with such a serious look, really.
Z.Y.
I'm waiting for answers to my questions. Especially proof for a certain hunger in the 37th. You're not a liar and not balabol? You won't disappoint me. . .
Does the US protect someone's rights? Ahahah, please don't laugh. In the United States in the early stages, namely in the south, there was slavery, which is why the African American population still considers itself oppressed. The same CIA use torture against their citizens. Global wiretapping of everyone and everything. Do you say human rights?)) And abroad, in general, they sponsor terrorist organizations, bring democracy by bombing peaceful cities, etc.
Mayamenstate
But you're an asshole.
You pretend to be an adult, but you bomb like a 15 year old schoolgirl. Something is wrong here.
I myself dug 200 buckets of potatoes in the dacha (25 acres), and the dacha is not a village and the 90s are not the 20-30s ...
Where, in addition to the garden, everyone also had his own plot on virgin lands, which he processed in his free time from work on the collective farm.
Vegetable gardens were not forbidden, it was simply obligatory to work on the collective farm for 8 hours, and then whatever you want: if you want, work in your garden, if you want and you can, also master your plot on virgin lands. But from it, unlike the garden, a person paid a tax to the state as a percentage of the harvest.
So . . . worldwide. I get the feeling that you're also a slowpoke. How long have you crawled out from under the stone?!
In the 90s, in calm weather, I smelled a railway 1 km away, an asphalt road 100 m away. In windy weather, if the wind blew in my direction, I smelled a railway 3 km away, an asphalt road 300 m away
. I smelled any object at a distance of 1 meter, even from a ballpoint pen.
From the keyboard - one smell, from the mouse - another, from the mouse pad - the third, from the monitor - the fourth, from the system unit - the fifth, from the parquet - the sixth, from the lime on the ceiling - the seventh, from the table - the eighth, from the chair - the ninth, from the air itself - the tenth ... and so all these smells, mixing, created the feeling of the room in which I was.
But they were outweighed by the smell of heroin, right?!
I go into the store... and at the same time I smell dozens of different smells from all the products that are sold there with the smell of paper, glass, tiles, doors, windows, that is, the interior of the store itself.
I walk around the city ... I pass the entrances of five-story buildings, nine-story buildings, sixteen-story buildings, and at each entrance of each five-story building, nine-story building, sixteen-story building I smell my own unique smell - the smell of those people who live in it.
I walk through the private sector... and each house I pass has its own unique smell. I don't even know these people, but I smell them when I pass by the houses where they live.
This is one of the effects of penicillin. Now what? What happened next? They changed penicillin to some kind of parashu-ciprofloxacin (2000-2004), cephalexin (2004-2006), sulfadimethoxin (2006-2008), azithromycin (2008-2012). Yes, this is degradation in its purest form. Although macrolides (azithromycin) is an analogue of penicillin. Azithromycin was closest to penicillin. We need to go further and go directly to penicillin ... but here the whole problem occurs: everything that was in addition to antibiotics disappears - metal, hormones, vitamins, minerals.
Either some kind of slop along with all this, or penicillin, but without all this. And so that penicillin, along with all this, does not work out that way. But at least it was revealed that it was, after all, penicillin.
You answer my question, science fiction addict. I'll even remind you of it:
"Tell me about some mysterious famine on the 37th???"
Come on, bang gerych or whatever you use there and start telling the button accordion how spaceships plow the theaters. Come on, or are you still a balabol and a liar ?!
Mayamenstate
These people told me that in 1937 there was a severe drought, and as a result, crop failure.
Pfff, and I say that they are lying. And what do we do now? My opinion is against theirs. No, you can't do without documentary evidence. Good idea, isn't it?!
And all this coincided with the repressions and the famine.
Evidence in the studio, Billy. We need proof, not baloney. I can also say that these people of yours are drug addicts and liars without even trying to argue. I'm sorry, what ? You do not believe me ? But how so, I'm telling you, trust me. . .
But if you think logically, then they couldn’t carry out repressions, and leave the peasants aside?
It follows from this that no so-called. there were no reprisals. Logically.
More precisely, the peasants thought that they would stay away from repression, but it did not work out.
Stay away from the criminal code and the law?! To engage in banditry in the galleries ?! Repeat the feat Tsapok?!
Just like Russia, it thought to stay away from what is happening in Ukraine, and it didn’t work out in the same way. Couldn't Russia have been left out of the showdown with Ukraine in the same way? Only here, instead of the Holodomor, the dollar exchange rate.
To begin with, give evidence of the so-called. famine. Do you know the meaning of the word "proof"? Something that backs up what you're saying, no?! Like some documents. Considering the epic bureaucratic thoroughness of the State Security Service and the police of that time, it will not be difficult for you, I believe in you.
And how does Russia talk about Ukraine? It's their own fault for going there.
Who went where?!
And the peasants thought the same way. After all, only a few Leninist
Trotskyists were subjected to repression. Leninists were not there a priori.
but in the main, or "in the general list", the peasants,
A, that is, is there a certain list? Then him to the studio. So that there are full names, articles, etc.
those who learned to read and write (read, write) and became people, but in their essence remained peasants.
What?!
And we had to unite. Why shouldn't Russia cross into Europe to help Ukraine?
Why, where?
Why didn't these uneducated peasants turn to the people to help the educated peasants who were being repressed?
Well, maybe because there were simply no repressions at 37, just as there was no mythical "Holodomor", and you are an ordinary balabol and believed the liars who threw you like. . . it’s clear who, having heard the gossip of some abstract people who have already had the honor of crap and slip a lie (yes, what about the blacks in the 37th, who built socialism in colonial Africa, huh?!).
That's why they didn't go anywhere. They cannot go anywhere just based on the sick fantasy of some citizens who saw blacks somewhere with grain.
And so, I'm waiting for evidence of some repressions - some mentioned list (let's start small), I'm waiting for evidence of some "holodomor" in the 37th. About blacks, as I understand it - you don’t need to ask anymore, yes. Or is it necessary?
And so, I'm waiting for answers, there will be no answers - get the honorary title of balabol and liar. Come on, I believe in you.
All the discussions about slavery and the serfdom ended with the quite predictable "what kind of greedy narcissistic hypocritical scoundrels" and "yes, we are still up to our ears in THIS." Very nice.
Mayamenstate
"On the general list" is when the special services, let's say the CIA, need to bang some influential person.
Well, the list is in the studio, what are we waiting for ?!
And they arrange a diversion: they wait for him to buy a ticket for a plane, get on this plane, the plane takes off, and then it crashes - this person, thus, was banged "in the general list" of all 250 passengers of this plane.
Hmmmm, who then did they want to bang, that billions of people you invented starved to death?!
Mmmm, which is very cool I suppose.
Trotskyists are Leninists, just like Kasyanovites are Putinites.
You crap a little, do you want me to pump you with a politota?! Trotskyism and Leninism are two different things, your CO.
When there is a change of power, there is always a disassembly with the previous one.
Razorka with the Trotskyist citizens was solely because of the phimosis of them.
Or do you need proof again?
You first provide those that I asked.
And given the fact that the Leninists came to power in 1917 and the Bolsheviks' great love for dates (the factories were handed over by May 1 or November 7,
Stalin ordered to take Stalingrad by November 7, 1942, it was possible to drink only on holidays), then 1937- exactly 20 years since 1917 - fits here very logically.
This myth is so ancient and so stupid, and it was sorted out even before you were born, that now I'm just scared - dear, are you not the son of $oldLZHENITSYN for an hour ?! Honestly - where did you dig up this old button accordion about the love of numbers ?!
And what is the connection with the 37th?! What was in the 37th?!
Historians and just ordinary people, having discovered that the date of death of most Leninists dates back to 1937, came to the conclusion,
Well, excellent - bring documents where these historians stated this idea and. . . what kind of ordinary people?!
that it could not be a coincidence, and classified it as repression.
In the US, there are now in prisons anymore than whites. Based on your amazing logic, it turns out that the US is a racial genocide.
But here's the bad luck - I'll remind you just in case that in the camps the number of political activists did not exceed 10%, the maximum was 15%. But now I'm interested - how many billions Stalin ate (yes, documented).
And why did the British Empire, which occupied 1/4 of the land, collapse in 1949?
Because the colonial system began to crumble around the world. This type of relationship began to become obsolete.
Because they built it anyway.
In Africa, countries with social the focus was in half with the capital countries. Maybe built capitalism?! Maybe you are still a balabol and a liar, and you didn’t carry any grain to blacks in the 37th?! Or are you saying they waited 12 years?! Wow.
It's just that it's not done in one year. Started in the 30s, finished in the 40s.
Now tell me how you can transfer grain from one country to the colony of another and do it unnoticed by the Metropolis. Tell coolstory.
And isn't the state a gang, only a highly organized one?
Well, with this approach, I can call you a bespontovy fraer. Is not it ?!
And in general, a gang is what is illegal, and a group is what is legal.
So I use exactly such formulations - a highly organized grouping.
You answer my question - is it possible for a person to put a bolt on the criminal code ?!
Z.Y. And so, you begin to test my patience, this is your last chance dear.
And so, I'm waiting for evidence of some repressions - some mentioned list (let's start small), I'm waiting for evidence of some "holodomor" in the 37th. Documentary, not your lies. I'm waiting.
And so, I'm waiting for answers, there will be no answers - get the honorary title of balabol and liar. For I, too, can start to poison button accordions that my people told me that your people are coprophages. So either drive the proofs of your thoughts, or get a title and go through the forest. Come on, the title of balabol suits you so well.
Who cares, I can throw a read:
We are not slaves? Something about the history of labor relations
Article for 10-15 minutes
It even became a shame that he sent slaves in the yard to build a pyramid for me. I must say that they were dismantled and moved outside the house.
It even became a shame that he sent slaves in the yard to build a pyramid for me.
You'd better squat down and squeeze out the pyramid yourself. Then more :)
Mayamenstate
As for the documents that you refer to all the time, I don't see any sense in them, to be more precise, the documents are not valid in Russia.
Why did it happen ?
Is your passport not valid?
So, they expelled me from the university, I come to pick up my documents, and then they tell me that until I pay for the hostel (for a year - 900 rubles, at the rate of 25 rubles per dollar), in which I have never even been, my documents will not be released. I ask them:
- Where did I get a place in the hostel? I've never even been there.
- Well, you wrote an application for a place in a hostel a year ago?
- I wrote.
Do you understand that if such a situation happened in any country in the world, you would be taxed in the same way, no? Did you sign the contract? Signed. Everything else is your problem. Corporations also took away land from farmers.
Well, we have provided it for you.
Why wasn't I informed about this then? Why did I only find out about this now?
You wrote a statement, hello. Or do you write documents just to be?! Listen, take out a loan for yourself and give me the money, huh?!
- Well, these are your problems, why didn't you come to the hostel and didn't deign to find out whether they provided you with a place or not.
- Well, why, when I was studying, they didn’t tell me that they gave me a place in the hostel and didn’t ask why I was absent there?
And they shouldn't worry about it.
You still decide - do you want totalitarianism, which will control all aspects of life (then the point of creating this thread?) Or vice versa - indifference.
I come to the hostel, I go there to the person who is responsible for it, and I say:
- I was told to pay for the hostel, but I have never even been here, I don’t even know my room ...
- So, you wrote a statement about providing a place in a hostel?
- I wrote.
- Well, here's your room, which we provided you with.
- Well, even if you gave it to me, I would have to drive up here and sign for its receipt. But I've never even been here.
- And what are we waiting for when you deign to come here. You wrote a statement, wrote, we provided you with a room, provided, and the fact that you did not even deign to come here is already your problem.
- Well, let's go up to my room and everyone there will be able to confirm that they have never even seen me in this room and in this hostel.
- And many of us do this - the room is listed on some, and others live in it.
- Well, anyway, they will be able to confirm that they do not know me.
- And it even happens with us that those to whom you rent a room rent it to other people, and those to third people. So they may not even know about you.
- But I was expelled six months ago. Why then is the room behind me still listed? After all, I should have been automatically discharged from the hostel?
- And many of us live in a hostel and have nothing to do with the university.
Everywhere I tried, it was useless. The only thing I managed to do was to knock off the "debt" from 900 to 450 rubles (at the rate of 25 rubles per dollar), that is, I was credited that I allegedly "lived" in this hostel for six months, not a year.
I am amazed. You yourself wrote an application for a place and now you wonder why you have to pay for it?! Another question - why did you write it, huh?!
So the Yukos lawsuit against Russia in 50 billion. dollars, I think it is quite appropriate ... a reflection in the mirror of the face of Russia. They just didn't set any conditions for Russia, like me: if you don't pay, we won't give back the documents. But if Russia were to set conditions, for example, on the invalidation of Russian diplomas abroad, then knock it down to 25 billion. dollars would be a big "achievement".
What diplomas? What are you carrying?
I'm afraid that in such a difficult case, only mined cars can return Russia to the "general channel".
In what direction?
Z.Y.
I never saw the documents for your stuffing, so, dear - try on the title of a liar and balabol. TCHK.