Fools love to swarm.
Leonid Filatov's a wonderful actor. A lot of great roles. But the one remembered most.Though to criticize the film, criticize and sensibly - say could not, could never, happen this in the USSR. to the Prosecutor and the prisoner lived in a communal apartment. But art is not a reflection of reality, in addition to reflect the reality of art encompasses more and more. So the fact that the film just used a metaphor in order to bring together - for dialogue - something that nezavisimo.
Leonid Filatov in the movie "the life of the chief of criminal investigation Department".
listen to the song Okudzhava performed by the magnificent Filatov.
just a minute and a half.
And now for srach. What can you tell about the observable fools gathered in a pack? Speak about a pack of fools to enrage.
Spoilers load of the subject - that annoying fools who rushed EN masse to use the fashionable buzzwords.
Gauguin
Well, about the triumph of the medieval over the modern to say, of course, nothing - the idea is quite sankarachariya. Should only laudable constancy with which you call your opinion a reality. Extremely samoanonion.
Gauguin
It's always fun to watch you over the lofty and highly spiritual speeches conceal inner emptiness. I wonder if you yourself believe in the nonsense that you say?
Gauguin wrote:
For example, moral, religious values, values of art and culture.
and again the common rhetoric without any specifics, look beautiful, but not convincing
Spoilery a rule, all homegrown pans philosophers are extremely lazy (or simply not versed in those matters, who are trying to negotiate) regarding a more detailed explanation of their views and beliefs, and quite rightly, deserve only one thing - blah, blah, blah...
By the way, if we compare society with the game, then morality is an optimization, and material values are iron. Now, if the optimization in the game, no iron will not help and the good games will not. But if iron is not, then nothing will. It turns out that the material values of the primary, but without morals they are NOTHING, and society will self-destruct.
A. Soldier of Light wrote:
Examples of the low-lying values: anger and aggression, envy, greed, apathy, selfishness, deceit, viciousness, lack of principle...
anger and aggression in small doses and in the right situations is required (at least for self defense)
envy is just another incentive to achieve more than you have
greed - or the thrift (fuck the whale, but to collect and multiply...)
apathy - nerve cells do not regenerate...
selfishness - need to love yourself though, because every creature of God is worthy of love, if not someone, then at least of their own
deceit is the first quality of any politician
you are tired of missionary and want to add variety to your intimate world? then you here - the depravity
of principle - vote for me because as a new MP I will turn on the mountain for...
Spoilerage well-being?
Self-Murderer
Before the snow was whiter, sparrows thicker and sweeter than sugar!
Wing42
Wing42 wrote:
It's always fun to watch you over the lofty and highly spiritual speeches conceal inner emptiness. I wonder if you yourself believe in the nonsense that you say?
As for you specifically, I have become accustomed to your boiling and at the same time sweet silly posts. Therefore, when writing their posts in the shoutbox, I have already do on them correction. Well, it's funny.
Hello
Hello wrote:
and again the common rhetoric without any specifics
Some specifics have already led Mr Soldier and I only disassemble your comments.
Hello wrote:
anger and aggression in small doses and in the right situations is required (at least for self defense)
envy is just another incentive to achieve more than you have
greed - or the thrift (fuck the whale, but to collect and multiply...)
apathy - nerve cells do not regenerate...
selfishness - need to love yourself though, because every creature of God is worthy of love, if not someone, then at least of their own
deceit is the first quality of any politician
you are tired of missionary and want to add variety to your intimate world? then you here - the depravity
of principle - vote for me because as a new MP I will turn on the mountain for...
The fact that you're making here Philistine (no hard feelings) utilitarian the mistake of introducing morality and sin as instruments for some other purpose. In fact, morality is a value in itself, it does not need any other goal, it should be performed for its own sake. As well as the sins of the bad not only because some of them can sometimes cause suffering, but by themselves are disgusting.
vftor
vftor wrote:
By the way, if we compare society with the game, then morality is an optimization, and material values are iron.
Not quite. I had also been fond of computer analogies, but later realized that they were at least incorrect, at least because in the case of our consciousness soft programs itself and is primary in relation to iron.
Gauguin wrote:
in the case of our consciousness soft programs itself and is primary in relation to iron.
Yes, I also believe that the soft (consciousness, thought) programmes himself, but mostly programmed from the outside. And material values, I linked to the gland is exaggerated, for ease of comparison with the computer, but in fact, they also programmed themselves and from the outside.
In comparison with the computer I just wanted to show the importance of morality (optimization) regarding property (iron).
Gauguin
Gauguin wrote:
The fact that you're making here Philistine (no hard feelings) utilitarian error
yeah, who's talking...
Gauguin wrote:
In fact, morality is a value in itself, it does not need any other goal, it should be performed for its own sake.
...itit bash, morality must be fulfilled for its own sake? let though all burns with a blue flame, let the world collapses, let people die, let them - the main thing to observe morality, even if for the sake of this world, not even for the sake of saving the life of even one man necessary to make B E h N R A In s T In E n N S Y thing...
let's say a small child that his mother died and he'll never see her again. you can certainly lie and say that my mom went to a distant business trip and later when the child has already accept her absence and grow up already you can tell the truth... but lying is immoral.
and maybe hang a crippled beggar, who with hunger stole a piece of bread?... because stealing is immoral
you can shoot the soldier, who was captured and to save his own life, betrayed his homeland. and betrayal is also immoral
and to heap more to burn the apostate, which brave brigands easily cut off his head, if he did not stop cross...
however
Spoilers the Charter of the IDF (Israeli armed forces) directly stipulates that in case of capture or hostage soldier is obliged to do everything necessary to save his life and it has the full right to give the kidnappers all he knows, including any state and military secrets.
Colebrand, to non-Jews such immorality is little consolation
Hello
Hello wrote:
...itit bash, morality must be fulfilled for its own sake? let though all burns with a blue flame, let the world collapses, let people die, let them - the main thing to observe morality, even if for the sake of this world, not even for the sake of saving the life of even one man necessary to make B E h N R A In s T In E n N S Y thing...
Unfortunately, few are ready to do the duty, regardless of circumstances and/or desires. And even more so - on a regular basis, it is generally unlikely. But the highest value then the highest that it is unconditional and often not consistent with our wishlist.
A secular interpretation of this simple truth are summarized here:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2
Gauguin
Gauguin wrote:
In fact, morality is a value in itself, it does not need any other goal, it should be performed for its own sake. As well as the sins of the bad not only because some of them can sometimes cause suffering, but by themselves are disgusting.
Very curious how this statement correlates with the fact that the concepts of morality and sin is very different depending on the time and site, until the presence completely the opposite of moments?
ColonelJason
ColonelJason wrote:
Very curious how this statement correlates with the fact that the concepts of morality and sin is very different depending on the time and site
The problem here is that ranged is not so much a concept as actions, so you should not artificially inflate the relativity of morality.
If you talk about the higher (Divine) level of moral consciousness, it was given in the gospel.
Gauguin
Gauguin wrote:
The problem here is that ranged is not so much a concept as actions, so you should not artificially inflate the relativity of morality.
Well, if Aztec human sacrifice, the moral legitimacy of sodomy in medieval Japan, the bacchanalia of Ancient Rome, the idea of morality in relation to women prisoners Scandinavian Marines, it is accepted public morality entertainment of the Inquisition, do not contradict your predstavleniyam about morality and sin, you must admit that you're a man of very broad views.
Gauguin wrote:
If you talk about the higher (Divine) level of moral consciousness, it was given in the gospel.
And here is a very interesting what I can this news has given us the gospel, which was not previously in, say, Judaism?
We will remind, since when does morality or morality - synonyms something definitely good from the perspective of humanity as a whole, not the value system of the individual/society, which may depend on a huge range of factors.
Self-Murderer
Values can be different, and morality (cosmic laws) determines the reliability of the human condition that the more important values. Morality (the invention of people) comes from values, and is not synonymous with morality.
ColonelJason
ColonelJason wrote:
Well, if Aztec human sacrifice, the moral legitimacy of sodomy in medieval Japan, the bacchanalia of Ancient Rome, the idea of morality in relation to women prisoners Scandinavian Marines, it is accepted public morality entertainment of the Inquisition, do not contradict your predstavleniyam about morality and sin, you must admit that you're a man of very broad views.
Well, all right, actions are actions, and the moral law was the same always, because it is divine Will. He stands above both the individual and society.
ColonelJason wrote:
And here is a very interesting what I can this news has given us the gospel, which was not previously in, say, Judaism?
Something you very strongly bent, the question of a person who is not familiar neither with that, nor with the fact. If anything, even Socrates was closer to Christ than the Pharisees.
A lot of differences and not to list them all, allocate one main thing in common - Christ globally has shifted the focus from the Pharisees to the external (and often hypocritical) side on the inside spiritual condition of man, and confirmed his primacy. In Judaism, it was enough just external performance.