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Sand4 18.09.19 07:37 pm

The most shameful defeat (Medieval 2: Total War)

In my opinion, this theme is still not there... I Think that everyone has something to share with their comrades-in-arms.
My example. Play as the Byzantine Empire. After the brilliant victory in the outskirts of Krakow over the poles, on the next move I see that hanging next to the Polish king with the army of the king himself (with a bunch of stars)and another rider from the protection of the commander (this is all that remains of the Polish army after the previous battle).
I'm with arrogant confidence sent them a detachment of mercenaries-the German mounted knights (though the squad is incomplete - 29 people., but with insignias). After my vigorous attack eagles half of the enemy army (a) - 1 person died almost immediately, but a couple of my fighters too. And then began the incredible - my riders hammering the Polish king, and he, while in a few minutes I have left 20, then 17, then 14, and this psheku could not care less. And then he began to fight with my commander. The result: my commander is dead, the remnants of the squad - in a panic, and the Polish king pursued them to the border of the map. I was really angry. Beat this shameful episode is sent together with the Germans a squad of mercenaries arcabucero (with three gold stripes). It was all over for the poles very quickly...
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Julii Cohort 18.09.19

He played for Turkey, there were many Janissaries and sipahi. Came Noyons Temudgin and killed all my warriors, army after army.
Collected stupid again Janissaries attacked the Mongolian army. Look General one of the Northern lords, even the great Zhebe. I realized at once that will shoot my infantry because I read that the Jeba was a great Archer and stood at the head of horse archers Temudgin. Shot my Janissaries. Yes, put emphasis on infantry. Later began to focus on the guns and cava. Thought next time I'm differently going to do. He started for the Turks again. The arrival of the Mongols were preparing gathered an army of archers. Again, the nomads of the great steppe under the banner of Tengri rode to my boundaries. Went shooting shot in the General, archers. No interrupted. Gathered Sipahi on horses, flooded again. Later brought infantry and sipahi archers. And in this shootout, which ended with the cutting, I won. Thought so you can beat Tumen Kaganskiy (with gold stripes).
As the Mongol archers in a dogfight broke my foot lords (UK).
Fought with the papal guard, was also difficult. Killed my Saracen, but the defeat was not as devastating as the Mongols ( and many times).
The main consequence of the numerous defeats from the Mongols introduced the reform in the army, when I played Byzantium - Kava archers and heavy cava. Worked.

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amon-hen 18.09.19

Papal guard - a strong thing. Once fought in Italy with the Pope. Took Rome, killed the Pope, it's cool. Only foreign troops left. Was there somewhere a small army with two squads of this Papal guard. Well, I think there is no problem. He gave them a detachment of mercenary elephants. Units were placed, began a battle, they ran, and let's blame my elephants! One piled, second, third, all piled up! Even the arquebusiers on elephants is not saved. But still, one of theirs, the detachment still ran...

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ShamomahS 18.09.19

To amon-hen
How they managed to catch up with the elephants or do elephants in melee sent? We had a soak.

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petja5 18.09.19

Elephants should not stand if the enemy is near. Had them in a counterattack to send on the advancing troops. And ran to stop them, that they would have bellies tickled by the halberd, and to run further. People for the elephants все0равно in no time. Atdial a little bit and again in the attack on the troops. The elephants by themselves, reduce morale, and if the men with muskets firing, the probability that the enemy is after charge run.
The second option is to derogate from the right of the enemy, while their Musketeers as long as you can shoot enemy in the foot not allowing him to get closer. Not even necessarily running to retreat, enough step if we start while the enemy is far away.

By the way, as well as elephants can peel, only those who have a bonus against cavalry. i.e., the halberdier and kobasice. A meeting of bishops with the sword I have always ended badly for the latter.

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Cavarinus 18.09.19

Among the innumerable battle-funny, there are 2 most fun.
I played the Holy Roman Empire and was at war with 5 countries: France (early in the game was the most powerful army), Milan( also grated rolls), Venice , Scotland and Sicily. With the last I had formal war , like the one which was with Germany and France in 1939-1940,as we had no common borders.
The situation was made even more intriguing, regular, the uprising of my cities.Which provoked this old bigot in a white robe,regularly otluchalsya me from the Church.
What my Emperor in the characteristics was clearly observed : excommunicated-ha-ha! There's also I read that it provokes rebellion.And decided to get rid at least from the inner turmoil, By killing their Emperor.But how to implement it: the plague did not harm him, from old age he would die soon,and my assassins could not kill him by definition.There was only one way - a heroic death on the battlefield.
Venice just captured my rebellious Milan, and I decided to combine the pleasant with the useful.My plan was this:the Emperor at the head of only their bodyguards would enter the city and enter into an unequal battle with 300-350 by the Venetians, where heroically polyagut.And the country will be the army to finish off the Venice case.
The gates were supposed to open spy with a probability of 90%.
Events developed according to plan : spies open the gates, and the Emperor entered the city. At first I was slightly upset that his bodyguards forced to face the vanguard of the Venetians, they were about 100 soldiers . I specifically didn't pursue something they could easily run off at the Central square, and there the combined forces certainly destroy a squad of the Emperor.
What was my disappointment when the bodyguards of the Emperor slaughtered them all in the cabbage, losing less than 10 riders from 26. Why I was so upset after capturing a major city? Yes, because winning almost all the battles on all fronts,I risked losing the game due to internal strife,sabotage of poles ,maximum voltage on all fronts and the economy is on the brink of collapse.Due to separation I am forced all the cities to put minimum taxes.As the population was extremely irritable.
The situation could fix another possibility: near Milan was the city of Venice with the enemy garrison priblizitelno the same as in Milan. but there was more heavy infantry. I decided to repeat my admission, hoping for a weakening of the bodyguards of the Emperor and of the best quality troops of the Venetians.Although this time, a few riders were added to his motorcade.
Advanced units of heavy infantry met the penalty outside the city walls.they were going slightly to whittle the population of my archers who came to the city early heavy infantry, which was to occupy the city after the death of the Emperor and his bodyguards.
I started to take the archers along the city walls, but these arrogant Venetians probably already anticipating how they'll make out of spaghetti and 2 squad of heavy infantry ( unfortified knights it seems) pursued them. Then my patience was exhausted, and I sent the bodyguards in the head of the Emperor on these arrogant wop at maximum March.
Who did this technique with heavy cavalry knows its devastating effects on infantry: 1 squad of regular heavy cavalry of the Holy Roman Empire, with a fairly weak performance , attacked a detachment of light infantry standing in the first 2 seconds kills 40-50 soldiers without loss to themselves.The squad is literally melting away.
I have not seen this time for the loss of the Venetians. But they soon faltered, and ran into the city.
My irritation reached superhuman dimensions and in a rage I sent a squad of the Emperor in the city.This time I did not pay attention to the fact that they take prisoners. In the city my unit also broke at full speed and dare the defense of the Venetians.
Again I celebrated bitter victory. The Emperor was still alive, and that fact ruined all my plans for the strengthening of the Empire.
Finally fortune smiled on me: came the Venetian army consisting of more than seven hundred soldiers. A detachment of the Emperor consisted of no more than fifteen riders.
This time I pre-celebrated commemoration of nenavisnye me, and his own people, the Emperor.And indeed he died on the battlefield, taking down hundreds of enemies.
Thus, the total number of dead and captive Venetians, a squad of 26 riders. amounted to over seven hundred! And this is on medium difficulty, where teams are not particularly prone to panic!
The game took place on the fashion Road to Jerusalem.

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petja5 18.09.19

Need, the complexity of the maximum cut would be fun. :)
In General, there is more than just a way to get rid of unwanted ruler. Make the frail boat and put there this General. And adieu in hostile waters. At a computer usually is always a lot of ships. Well, at least at the higher levels. So the lack of attacks is. One attack frail boat still survive (of course losing and retreating), but the second and especially the third - is unlikely. I similarly get rid of unwanted princes, if you see that the heir appointed some Crazy or something like that. From the rulers to get was not necessary, because the selection of spend at an early stage.
A disagreement with the Pope is not a reason to cut his king. Always easier to give money. Or at least give the Pope the territory, it is desirable that only won in the middle of nowhere with someone else's religion. Such territorio Dad long to hold you in the bosom of the Church return. :)

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Sand4 18.09.19

You wicked.... With his way to contact: one makes the ruler of the kamikaze, the other offers to drown him as Gerasim mu-Mu... Not to show teaching skills and to re-educate (almost Makarenko): a couple of times won the battle, a couple of times prisoners were released, you see, and turn into a very good boy... by the Way, in the description of the game expressly States that traits of character can be adjusted over time depending on their actions...While I agree, in the middle ages, all issues were resolved easier and harder:feather in the side and the meat in the river.

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Cavarinus 18.09.19

I have this Emperor after 2 battles, had a characteristic fear of 8 skulls. Especially as to this, I'm in the capital of the assassins constantly riveted, and also executed the game all the prisoners.So noble, he'd hardly ever was.

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Sand4 18.09.19

Playing for Russia, attacked the Lithuanian city. My army is small, but strong: 3 unit of spearmen, 1 squad loggers(commander), 1 squad of heavy infantry, 2 squad of archers, a catapult squad and a squad of horse archers-Kazakhs. The enemy: 3 unit of spearmen and two units of archers. The situation - the chances of winning more than enough. Began: I broke the gate catapults, dropped in the city Kazakhs and moved to the infantry. Kazakhs clashed with enemy archers standing on the wall, my spearmen got to beat them, those in panic retreat. Well, I think it's done, now to break the enemy spearmen, standing in the town square (by the way, the most primitive) and happy end. But happened an accident, which I think in war are common. Enemy archers on his feet and ran at the wall and ran back to the gate tower and fled somewhere further along the wall, and at this time the town consisted of my commander's squad on their heads poured resin and fried my commanding officer. Result: commanding a detachment in a panic, after some time, despite all efforts made by me, other teams too panic - crushing defeat (and most importantly, this offensive)...

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petja5 18.09.19

:) It happens.
And about education. There is a saying: fool to teach - only to spoil. If the Prince is initially bad features, the majority of education will be spent on what would be their only to fix. In the end you get the average ruler. And if you drown it in advance and bring up normal, by the time of his accession to the throne it can be a good pump. In addition, good characteristics are imparted for a long time, and bad quickly (just like in life). So feather in the side in this case really easy. :)
And yet, there are times when the education just don't have time: if the ruler and the Prince both have about the same age. Ie will be a wasted effort on the education of the Prince, and he will rule for only a few moves. And who is behind it is unknown, i.e., whom to bring up is unclear until the first ruler did not die.

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Servus 3D 18.09.19

and I have a bummer! played for the Turks, attacked in the mountains on top of the Byzantines, and the computer on the attack flooded, but I have the location of the super - plateau, and underneath, the track for some comp crawling and one narrow path up to me. but no matter. I slosh army of horse archers. No matter who was in his army, I have them all on the track peremeci, only one General escaped (damn!). well, I think all VICTORY!, yeah, I figure! somewhere on the mountain stuck, the rider of General's units, and so to approach him is impossible, and arrows all spent already. and then I attacked. my horsemen run around and can't, the cursor navodir - the red cross! I have a little hair not tearing ))

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petja5 18.09.19

We will not specify at what point was nearly plucked off the hair. :) And stuck problems to arise should not. In the idea if all the enemy units ran, you should see a message like You all won. Want to catch up and dorati or curl up and go to drink beer? WELL, two options want/not want. Even if you have chosen do you want to dorati, and some rider got stuck, as in your case, just come out of the battle - the victory is yours.
I think not much principialno to beat this rider, the General time all the same left.

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Servus 3D 18.09.19

I don't know how, but I still lost?! and about beer, I know )))

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petja5 18.09.19

So someone from the battlefield ran away. Perhaps some group (maybe the same one that soldier caught for map)retreated, but not running, ie no need to panic. And the message should not appear. And if there is, victory is inevitable. :)

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Andre Macareno 18.09.19

Was a joke:I have a army of 200 people, the enemy - ~1500. I lost, but perekolol most of the troops. And there was a joke when I was ambushed and was saved only by the fact that my prisoners were released for ransom.

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AJQQQ 18.09.19

and such a bummer: when fired from the guns of the enemy wall, and then produce the maneuvers of artillery, that would be more convenient had the manpower to shoot that stupid in the recesses is...and then for no reason receives a message that the battle is lost!!! and such as scoff: this defeat is not our fault!...it is unclear gun I have something in the wrong direction pushed and it is regarded as a retreat?TS

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Sand4 18.09.19

AJQQQ
And more... you Have the original or a pirate?
I have the original and these miracles were not!

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RUST333 18.09.19

The same situation was!
But I have a little different: 3 catapult was...I ammunition shot-gave me a message, all shoot to can. Loss..although in the lock 3-4 squad was against my Crusader squad of skilled warriors!
In the future, when such cases were left in the guns for a few shots drove them away, and continued this at Blizko(in melee).

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Cavarinus 18.09.19

This may be because of the simulator time.If on the left, near the mini-map is hourglass, then the battle limited.This can be changed in the process prohozhdenii campaign.

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Dimon NEW 18.09.19

people what do you want? if the settlement 2 walls, and the first you smashed as you want to go for the second? ;) all very logical ;)