Upgrade PC
Hello. Once the forum has helped me do a small upgrade, now again want to do a budget upgrade, need your help)Now my system:
Athlon x4 640, Radeon hd 7770 1gb, 8gb ram, and PSU like 450 or 500 ( what is nonam, but so far all pulls), motherboard asrock n68c-s ucc.
What I want: a computer for programming and games. What would Pugb in full HD, at least for medium-well pulled , with fps standards. Well, other games tipo 1 Battles, and more.
Since upgrade want budget, then consider BU components.
And most likely I will upgrade gradually.
I looked percent of the amd fx 8300. Accordingly, it requires a mother. I don't know what a good, and budget. Just need a normal hard disk on 500 GB, not BU. That's what I'm going to change first. And then a replacement video card, I think that will have to pay for 1050 ti. If you know a cheap version of the older cards - write plz. And so , if the whole system my PSU will not pull - you'll have to replace him )
In BP I in General understand nothing, and don't know what is needed .
And also, first and foremost, I would like some pretty cheap housing.
In General, please suggest which components can take, what percent, etc. Ready and to disperse something , if it's not too hard, and the cooler can cool. Thank you.
It's not the best time to upgrade PC. This week, the ruble collapsed, and the NVidia 1000 series is already obsolete and that in their place will come a new generation. So with the video card, I would advise you to wait, accumulate money by the summer (in hard currency).
Processors - is another matter. The FX 8300 is a good option, but it is already more than 5 years, it is inferior to modern models of performance. Besides, as far as I understand, he doesn't have 8 full cores. If possible, it is advisable to choose a more modern processors Ryzen. Especially since yesterday was a new generation. While there are only expensive models, but will soon be released and budget.
In General, I suggest this article here: https://3dnews.ru/968095
It is published every month. In may will be a new issue.
insel260
I asked you proof (screenshot), and fiction before going to sleep and so I listen. Download АИДУ64 stresstester and let me see the schedule of frequencies.
Ryazancev
OK, I agree, my mistake. To 4 GHz boost. Confused with the second computer, on which i7.
Ryazancev
So it must be something in the manual to put? or on the motherboard to put this Auto-overclocking, and all rules will be?
And overclocking the memory? Also saw what do. Does it make sense? is there a gain?
Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
You can in the BIOS to enable autorange (best), and the utility from under Windows (are different from different manufacturers).
The sense of acceleration is always there, the growth is good especially at low frequency models, and the top drive is nowhere (savings there).
But I avtoradgona don't trust, because it is not always the best can stand the voltage (better hands to put-more reliable).
Acceleration depends on the particular instance of processor and a particular model of RAM.
The RAM is driven to Eisenach up to 3200 MHz (running stable), the above can be glitches. Better peer-to-peer Samsung (Google for that). After the Microcode update BIOS and other RAM started to work adequately, but still needs to be clarified.
The best option for compatibility would be RAM from the compatibility list specific motherboard on the manufacturer's website. In this case, it is 100% working and compatible version.
VITYA_KOLYADENKO
VITYA_KOLYADENKO wrote:
Take Core i5. But this is a considerable budget is needed. GeForce 760 my some games pull, but for a completely fresh games 2 G memory is not enough.
Droguee iron overpayment. Will 2600 from AMD, 6 cores 12 threads, the people's favorite, perfect. Video card, not the 2GB thing, but weak already today.
insel260
insel260 wrote:
And take better Riesen 5 1600 or 1600s
Nafig need 1600S - WHY? If 1600 is cheaper 2000 rubles (redundant or what?), has the box cooler and it is exactly similarly to the level of the 1600S. Empty the overpayment in the 1600S.
insel260 wrote:
About a block. Take Chiptek.
Stuff, controversial. Very bad idea, pure China. Cheap, small guarantee, and not a very good stuffing. On the PSU can not save! 135 series Chieftek was good, I have it for more than 5 years 850 watt. The last 2.5 years working on the case. I started around the black blocks are gone.
insel260 wrote:
He has a modular power connection
The modular PSU will work with any CABLE! You don't modular, and like You, with otshivayutsya (part of) cables, a LOT.
insel260 wrote:
Watts per 550-650, that would be a Foundation for the future was.
What's the stock? If the process just falls, and with it the consumption. How many ate the gtx 680, gtx780 next, and then 980 and ultimately 1080? Only less capacity and more. The same processors.
Too much stock is not economically feasible, empty overpay for a simple capacity. BP needs your money to work.
insel260 wrote:
But the unit is gorgeous, any disruption can easily withstand, perenapryazhenie no
Yeah, very funny. BP may have a typical set of protections, not one but BP still did not protect against interruptions in the mains. For this there is a separate system - a voltage regulator. On time is not necessary. I have since protected, so. Only at one point completely destroyed the HDD, everything works, but Windows is not, as the HDD in the list.
Moreover, You have grounds for such statements from the perspective of power generation, engineer or even Amateur? I think not.
Each BP has the characteristic of the input voltage, and here it is. specification 100 ~ 240 Volts. But I personally, on these figures would not rely. I love to be organized, therefore, only a voltage regulator, just in case.
Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
Zefir4ik_kefir4ik wrote:
Tell better about acceleration under boksovskie cooler? Watched a lot of VIDOS, all driven Riesen 1200 to 3.9, and memory driven. And it seems like it's not hard . How to do it?
Overclocking it is better to do PENS, I would HIGHLY NOT RECOMMEND to use the auto overclocking is a BIG MISTAKE. Auto overclocking puts up typical numbers, equating processors, it can put excessive voltage. Should pay attention to disperse, each individual processor, and under it are adjusted and the indicators. Be careful.
Boxed cooler from AMD is good, it is possible to disperse. Mounting for a cooler You will not be off - CUT will NOT, to risk. Except that in the service to talk, but it's already PAID for. On the boxed version DISPERSED easily! Take the BOX CPU cooler in that bundle and don't have anything to Unscrew. Then it will be a more powerful processor, digging for 2600 from AMD (don't need more, percent of, as they say, forever), put it down and forget it. There will think over the cooler or BOX or acquiring.
And again, I suggest a forum or club for overclocking, with friends, owning processors RIESEN.
I do think that much point in overclocking THERE. Just because the graphics card You have is not the best, and FPS, You will lean on the graphic component, rather than on FPS and CPU (two directly tied values).
Although, with such frequency, the acceleration will stop. Start with the frequency multiplier - 3800 and a voltage of 1.35. Run the test.
Opera that will take, and how lucky. By default, I told You - 2667 will be. The rest learn, to understand. In Groups, a lot of people ready to share the digits and help.
Purple giraffe
Violet giraffe wrote:
It's not the best time to upgrade PC. This week, the ruble collapsed
When the product will start to buy at the new rate, and then wait for a rise in price, the bole the collapse is not very critical.
Violet giraffe wrote:
and the NVidia 1000 series is already obsolete and that in their place will come a new generation.
Hmm. the ruble has fallen, and You recommend to wait for the new series of graphics cards and buy new procurement price tag? And there is still collapse. In this country now active collapse went through the fields, so it is logical to expect even greater price collapse in the future. The more you pull, the more you get hit with the consequences.
Violet giraffe wrote:
The FX 8300 is a good option, but it is already more than 5 years, it is inferior to modern models of performance.
Despite what to put the video card up to gtx 1060, is well tolerated. And especially, what kind of FPS to expect. With gtx 1050Ti many will not have to wait.
Violet giraffe wrote:
Besides, as far as I understand, he doesn't have 8 full cores.
Proof of course not. I thought so. Then why to spread fakes?
Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
I looked percent of the amd fx 8300. Accordingly, it requires a mother. Perhaps it makes sense to take something from the family RYZEN?
Zefir4ik_kefir4ik wrote:
tell me specific a good model or a good brand PSU .
Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
Above you already gave a link to a separate topic on the choice of BP - http://forums.playground.ru/hardware/vybor_sistem_pitaniya_pk_bp_ibp_i_problemy_s_nim_v_7-861120/
+ you can go to http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=422218 or http://www.thg.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=66707 - in the header of these have a list of recommended PSUs.
KanoVoxLian wrote:
Perhaps it makes sense to take something from the family RYZEN?
Of course.
They are more profitable in the end than the entire set of hardware on AM3+ (If you take the equal performance)
Ryazancev
it's not even in production and substitutability,for example to buy more or less decent Mat cost RYZEN,and less CPU,using the time to change to a faster processor,and the Mat cost to put that.
Purple giraffe
Another DNS-iy expert. It was the case, calling people expert DNS-and is an insult to him, met even funny.
No, it zaminusili, below, the answer is more competent:
The spoiler of the FX CPUs, there are physically 8 cores. But for every 2 cores, combined into modules, allocated 1 block of cache L2.
To say that a full 8 core CPU is not worth it. It is also not impossible to say that he nuclear 4 )) Therefore, it has long been customary to call him in 4 modules.
There is 8 physical cores. And this processor to this day, with 12 year working. And still collecting nice comments. Well, no Intel so not especially memorable, and so is not predstavljaet interest as AMD.
About acceleration Ryzen 1200. All the VIDOS I have seen , I drive it to 3.9 ghz with the boxed cooler, and drive memory. But about the memory I do not quite understand. Don't really want to pay a lot for memory, but do not want to get those that do not hunt, or just with bad frequencies. Memory I'm really confused. About the overclocking I find VIDOS, I think I can do it And the question: flies and warranty when overclocking?
And the question on the motherboard. Basically all take Asus Prime B350M-A(something)
But then friend advised cost from B350 Msi PC Mate. What better to take? Under characteristics they almost identical.
Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
1) Asus Prime B350M-A - uresana Micro-ATX chamber, it does not even have the heat-sinks power circuits. I would think 10 times before putting on her 6 der / 12 threads. B350 Msi PC Mate is full ATX Board.
2) RAM has the following options:
- To score and to buy at 2667, no problem will start. To score.
Buying a ready - made option 3000 / 3200 (XMP profile). It costs the same. Pay attention to work with Reisen, wound up or not at this frequency. Just set XMP and score.
- Buy the same 2667 and handles to disperse itself, but it is important to pay attention to the chips which were ispolzovany, memory - Samsung (ideal), micron still needs a good chase.
Watch the video
Here's the video:
Processor 1600 2667/3000/3200
For me personally, the choice of 3200 chips from Samsung, is more than obvious. So RAM decides everywhere, lifting high / low. However, if I press object, then or 2993 2667 (3000) officially 2993 will support a new generation of Riesen - 2600. So, here is to set the XMP and you're done.
To disperse does not need anything, don't waste time, effort, especially if you do not understand. There is a XMP profile, it solves all the issues.
Rest, think, and it would be better assembled in Germany, for a ready example.
You though the Assembly already think that thinking that is in Your city, if anything, will adjust, view, ask.
The main thing to start, and the rest of the questions, the answers will follow by themselves.
Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
So, the plan change Now more specifically:
1) Order in Germany, great choice, cheaper Opera from G. Skill chips from Samsung, two laths on 8 GB for 10 000 rubles. Opera: Aegis and Ripjaws easy 3000 / 3200 with XMP. Chose a profile and forgot.
2) Go to the local store and buy two strips of RAM Samsung, the manufacturer. Take, extremely zhelatelno, two straps.
3) Strap the Samsung go to nominale 2400 and good looking. Acceleration is not tricky, this will help the function of memory try it, which is MSI. Frequency - timings, choose check.
Of course, it is suggested to choose 3000 / 3200, with chips from Samsung (self, paragraph 1). It will tell You all, so take now, for Intel, get AMD, everything else is fiction.
Nothing more to tell. Collect in a basket that thought up and throw here. Let's see what happened.
PS Is still a RAM: Kfa2 hof, but I know nothing about her. Suggest, no problem.
Hellhound_Anger
Well, not really want to order from Germany..Never tried it, and I live in Ukraine(I don't know, does something ).
Found a store with less price to me.
Here is a sample my build. not sure about PSU and case. And RAM too)))
And I have to say that I've exceeded your budget . I would like to invest in 15 - 16 thousand UAH. 600$ approximately.
My building is about$700.
Of course going to sell your computer, etc. But I don't know at what price you will be able to drive it)
Spoiler
Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
Zefir4ik_kefir4ik wrote:
Never tried it, and I live in Ukraine(I don't know, does something ).
affect - other import regulations and taxation.
In case there are a couple of observations: the front fans are almost completely closed glass - much worse air flow; there's no front dust filters;
On the PSU so much is not worth saving.
Len4ik00N
well the case is actually chosen just by sight, and watched what would the PSU was on the bottom(kind of important).
What BP do wrong? I can suggest something safer but in the same price range?
Called another store and did the same build , but cheaper. just my 15 000grn. Cheaper , because the map 1050ti BU(3 months)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-AB350M-D3H .
Memory: G. Skill Aegis DDR4 2 laths on 4, 2400 mhz.
PSU: 600watt aerocull vx.
Tell me what you think of this build?