The execution of the Royal family.
What do you think, justified in this shooting? or not?Deserticola
Chernyshevsky suggest you to read the story ,if memory serves, is called What?.Very much there is no need to read(well, if there is no desire), but a secular society there is described in all its glory..
The power is completely rotten..needed General cleaning..
And Russia is such a country..it only under duress all done.
about Nicholas II, a good article is here http://scepsis.ru/library/id_2077.html
those who believed the Emperor's anointed. That is, from different layers
That is, slaves.
Slave - is generally typical of Russian people of Imperial Russia until the 20th century. Slaves were among the peasants regardless of the Council's code history. A slave is one who of freedom fighters called the undead. Who calls potentates plutocrat anointed Bouncing. Illiterate and ignorant peasant, who rely on king-priest is also a slave. Yes that a sin to conceal, was among the proletarians are slaves, though in comparison with other classes is much smaller.
But the backbone of the Russian servility was, of course, the ruling classes. The king, too, slave. They have a mutual love eternal bondage. Let's see what the energy of slaves went to free his master. And the vigor with which the slave-king was pleased their masters. As many as 3 million Russian people are not spared - they tried the same for the bourgeoisie to Rob Europe, Snitch Turkey Straits. Nothing for the bourgeoisie has not spared his stupid head. That a serf-peasant, the bourgeois, the king of all one - roundnose begemotnaya idiots, accustomed to bow down before the masters.
The demonstrators consisted mainly of intellectuals, civil servants and University students.
Still. To drink people's blood, they then wanted. It would be strange if the then homosexuals came out with the demonstrations. Later. Now the truth was for the workers. Now for all you with a vengeance to take revenge for all the thousands of years of abuse. And it svershilos. A little sorry for the creature then died. Even hundreds of people did not have enough.
At the same time, the demonstration was attended by a significant number of workers.
Liberast, dressed in work clothes - not working.
Well, well. Priests one and all were Communists. And my great-great-grandmother, which in a barrel with water was hiding - no doubt a Communist.
You say the commies shot the Communists. Are you denying the fact that the commies shot the priests and maybe even innocent people.
He was almost a Saint, the good king-father in the representation of even very many people. During the Civil war the people did not go after anybody. The Emperor would have gone.
Oooo..
That's something I do not care how king imagined slaves. It was burnt by revolutionary burning free people. There is only the fact - the king was shot by order of Uralispolkom Tips. The Council is unique in the history of Russian organ of genuine democracy. And only in that period. What follows from this? The fact that the execution of the king was made in accordance with the will of the people. Let only the Urals. But hardly people of the Urals is very different from the people of the rest of Russia.
And the fact that the people did not go after anybody in the Civil war - it's not even funny))
This is how the woodpecker have to be to say such a thing?
Or is it against the white bandits? Yes, the white bandits were only slaves, the people privy to them. Yes. And the king would not go, once commanded to shoot him.
Yes, everything at that time was normal.
Of course normally, and the Bolsheviks fought the aliens. And vote for them in the Tips also alien. Anyone, even the Zerg, but not unhappy people. The unhappy? For this you need to write a book. However, the slave is happy when a satisfied owner.
These are the most oppressed workers went to fight with those who wanted them release, for those who shot at him 12.
Interestingly, and against whom they were to fight? Against aliens? In fact, the ranks of the red army were workers and peasants. Where there were more workers and peasants - the white bandits or Bolsheviks? How many hundreds of times? Or thousands of times?
The first world was under a very certain reasons.
Still. The suckers to eat there is nothing there. Iron reason. 15 million people died on the battlefields of Europe. 15 million dead in a bloody slaughter. For a capitalist, a slave-king. It is obvious that without a king this war would not exist. If not for the bloody king would not go cowardly the French for the Germans. Not the rival. And the British BBC and Suva did not. But king of what? He Straits of the black sea submit. He lands a German give. The Fritz after all.
I read an article about Nicholas on the link kindly provided by the Lord - good article. I live in Ukraine, that is Ukraine and I do not need to tell people in Russia about our roundnose President - they have with Nicholas a lot in common and the closer you look, the more similarities you find. Inadequate, flaky, dysfunctional - more than worthless President it is hard to imagine.
In my opinion, history always repeats itself. Like someone said that knowing the past can predict the future (how exactly was the phrase belongs to whom I don't remember). Well, let's imagine for a moment that Ukraine is now broke out into revolution and rebellion managed to catch this pimply freak with his wife and children. The revolutionaries, without thinking twice, decided to do them. Do you think many of them would regret? I think not, on the contrary, made it in life would be a monument.
But unfortunately, or fortunately history repeats itself - and after a hundred years there is like Kolchak who would say that when Yushchenko was normal, and that the people were for him and fought against him, the drunks and the rabble. But I know a lot of successful, talented people who would, without remorse has stopped-would this moronic era that we have.
The fact that the bourgeoisie, destroyed by the Bolsheviks in power again and they are trying to rewrite history in their own way, so they invent martyrs, heroes among their brothers in blood.
Ulicetea 17.10.09 10:50 ....The first world was under a very certain reasons.
Still. The suckers to eat there is nothing there. Iron reason. 15 million people died on the battlefields of Europe. 15 million dead in a bloody slaughter. For a capitalist, a slave-king.
Would agree with that. The Communists truly wrote about the causes of the capitalist war waged in the interests of the rich. The interests of corporations led to the wars to the detriment of the interests of the people. So it was and is. In the interests of corporations and the Americans are fighting for oil in Iraq. In the interest of corporations to prevent lead pipelines through Georgia, the war with Georgia.
But the Tsar Nikolashka was stupid, and the whole country suffered from its authoritarian rule. The king was oboen Imperial ambitions, wanted to build a fleet comparable to the British, with the result that the army was deprived of Finance that had gone into the Navy. That has led to the fact that at the beginning of the First world army suffered the loss.
But as we know the king was overthrown in the February revolution. And not the Bolsheviks. As you know, the king abdicated. And no Feb to Oct not tried to restore the autocracy. No one has stood under the banner of the tsarist regime. And not for whom the king would not be dangerous. So the execution of the king and his children - is just an ordinary act of violence of the Bolsheviks.
The Bolsheviks in his cruel reign led to the death of a huge number of people, including children.
injeksi
The fact that the bourgeoisie, destroyed by the Bolsheviks in power again and they are trying to rewrite history in their own way, so they invent martyrs, heroes among their brothers in blood.-all the way.but now our bourgeois power,it you see you're not honoring Pavlik Morozov and heroes,wait 100 years, maybe Chet will change,the killing of women is particularly disgusting,especially cattle in a leather jacket.
Hameln-the pied Piper the killing of women is particularly disgusting,especially cattle in a leather jacket - After the capture of the Winter Palace began to spread rumors that over the captured cadets and officers mocked, tortured and killed; women of the shock battalion were raped, and some killed; that he is the Winter Palace was looted, the Bolshevik forces. So the officer on special assignments at the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Empire, S. K. Bellegarde wrote in his diary that on the defenseless cadets, the Bolsheviks, commit atrocities, the storerooms of the Winter Palace destroyed, plundered silver, porcelain broken, the Church turned into a latrine, a women's battalion to be pushed into the barracks of the Pavlovsky regiment and raped[2].
One of the defenders of the Winter Palace — AP Sinegub — left of the massacre of the women's battalion of these lines in his memoirs[3]:
Now the guns pounded louder. Sometimes snapping the rifle.
— Shot, — broke the silence soldiers.
— Who? — I managed.
— Shock!... and after a pause, he added: — Well, women, daring. One polroty survived. Guys and a good laugh! Onet us. But that refuses, or which is sick, now the bastard to the wall!..
Later Sinegub and he witnessed a rape scene in the Pavlovsk regiment, under the protection which the Bolsheviks took — the Pavlovsky regiment were kept in the conflict and neutrality in the capture of the Winter Palace did not participate.[3].
Similar in meaning the records are in the diaries and memoirs of other petrograda: poetess Zinaida Gippius [4], lawyer S. Militsyna [5]; witness M. Maslennikov (military) recalls the massacre of prisoners after the surrender of the defenders of the Palace: "... the arrested cadets and officers connected the telephone cable and pushed under the wheels of furgonetas."[6]
Writing about it in the press and antibolshevist "hot pursuit". The official bodies of the Bolsheviks such allegations are rejected.
However, the facts of the atrocities were published, and sympathetic to the Bolsheviks by the authors — for example, foreign Communists.
So the then military attache of France in Russia Jacques download the film entered into RSDLP(b), and later became a member of the French Communist party, in the book "Notes on the Bolshevik revolution"[7] wrote: "on 8 November. The winter Palace was fired from the guns taken, and then looted. All the art objects, furniture, paintings vandalized. The women's battalion defending the Palace allotted to the barracks, where the poor were brutally raped..."
Do not deny the looting and rape and the direct witness of those events an American Communist John reed. In his world famous book "Ten days that shook the world" in particular, it wrote that the investigation of the circumstances of the capture of the Winter was a city Council appointed Commission and a member of this Commission, Dr. mendelbaum showed that three of the defenders of the Winter Palace had been raped, and one has committed suicide [8]. - http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BC_%D0%97%D0%B8%D0
%BC%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%86%D0%B0 And it says neutral Wikipedia.
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For the memories and completeness of the opinions, say so, say that there is no storming, and especially with guns and machine guns Winter never happened. It is not that the Bolsheviks did not want to expose individual cases of defects, and that the Winter storm is nothing more than a fictional kind of story, later included in the history textbooks of the USSR... But to deny the alleged atrocities cannot. The same as to agree with that. In the best case can happen.
Under the observer in this case I mean those who obediently carried out all orders of Stalin. Under Stalin. Those who distorted the historical facts, change the signature and certificate at the end of 20th and 30th years. Believe me, with such a tyrant and dictator like Stalin possible.
in fact it was accomplished without the use of significant hostilities, but under the threat of force of arms. - even Wikipedia knows about it :)
This more recent data, by the way. And one the film right now storm and shows. The question is, wtf?... =)
Want to challenge your view that the Royal family were shot by the Bolsheviks...In many historical records there is evidence that it was totally on the orders of the head of the Provisional Government with the intention that the power could not again return to the Romanovs.
Now Russia in every way trying to slander the Soviet government. The shooting of the family of the king is cruel, and Bloody Sunday, the crackdown, illiteracy, poverty and backwardness of the country to the West is this normal?! The Bolsheviks gave the country what she would have achieved only a few decades, maybe hundreds...
Hameln-the pied Piper
I hinted that the king murdered in the pale of settlement
With the same reason it is possible for Hadinco, the Russo-Japanese(each episode individually), during the First world war, First Russian revolution, etc., etc., And Romanov all the above points on the basis of full could shoot and monarchists.
Deserticola
The best part of all of the nonsense about the monarchy - bolshevistkaya propaganda.
It does not tell you, then what the hell is the country broke if everything was fine? What two wars lost?
then it would be for him the people stood up - still had a very great devotion to the throne at the time.
So great that in February 17th no ... wasn't trying to protect him.
During the Civil war the people did not go after anybody. The Emperor would have gone.
Again, the question: if no one went to the 17th, why would go h. W. year?
Immediately lost the desire to communicate, it is seen that most of the information a person takes from Soviet books.
Yes, even from Nenets. The basic thesis is the same: the First world had no foundations except the desire to narrow oligarchic groups to redistribute spheres of influence and markets. And neither as a nation nor as a state, Russia had no special contradictions neither Germany nor Austria-Hungary. Therefore, its entry into the war obosnovalas exclusively cretinism foreign policy of the tsarist regime, when millions of Russians had to die to defend the interests of the British and French colonialists.
Chukchi Militant
but I don't think this is the reason when you can be balanced.
No, well what am I wrong? If you really took action to the Central Committee - it was a huge political mistake, as if the places themselves have worked out - would be shot for arbitrariness and willful idiocy.
stalker7162534
In the interest of corporations to prevent lead pipelines through Georgia, the war with Georgia.
Anyone about anything - lousy on the bath Again. Can you finally answer my repeatedly posed question: HOW CAN effect the SEPARATION of OSSETIA ON the PIPELINE GOING IN CENTRAL AND SOUTH GEORGIA?!!
Hameln-the pied Piper
the killing of women is particularly disgusting,especially cattle in a leather jacket.
And the murder and rape , including teenagers and rednecks in camouflage NATO right? And the rape of young children's leadership camps and cattle with crusts Deputy great?
Deserticola
17.10.09 15:40
When I was patriotom a couple of years ago and started an Internet flame.. then I also talked about the neutrality of Wikipedia, and argued mostly stupid libels not particularly trying to think a head.
That's the same is valid Kolchak. and the pied Piper.
Imagine that you had to write omitted slave sinegub..
That has led to the fact that at the beginning of the First world army suffered the loss.
I don't care what happened to the Imperial army, you think about people who go in there pushed.
No one has stood under the banner of the tsarist regime.
Don't know what is it about February to October, but I think it is pointless to argue with the fact that white bandits were determined to restore him to the throne.
but I think it is pointless to argue with the fact that white bandits were determined to restore him to the throne.
Ulicetea, it is meaningless to argue that based on anything. Just the Bolshevik, when the time came, began to look for justification for the killing of the children of the king. So he makes up about vostanovlenie on the throne.
Want a substantive conversation - give what the group had intended to return Nikolaya2 to the throne. And why she didn't do it since Nikolaya2 abdication from the throne?
What kind of nonsense? For faith, Tsar and Fatherland. The white movement.
Why not done before? Because there was not much confrontation the officers and nobility with slaves from the EAP. That's all. Let them sit out, he thought. Can be was not going to recover in the event of a strengthening of the EP. After the dissolution of the US and VP arrest the nobles and the capitalists just had no banner. Would not shoot the Tsar - if he was. Put again the wit, the throne in the event of victory.
Ankh 8, buddy, I'm agree with you. Just disgusting, when there are the most chatters:Watering them all we had! And when I remember how to kill the Grand duchesses, then once the political discussion about whether to conduct sickening.
So he makes up about vostanovlenie on the throne.--no need to invent anything.Recall Falsdmitry, etc. etc.
The fact that the bourgeoisie, destroyed by the Bolsheviks in power again and they are trying to rewrite history in their own way, so they invent martyrs, heroes among their brothers in blood
http://rutube.ru/tracks/322140.html there is an interesting disturbance of the population.Above there too.Just have to watch to the end.
/And no Feb to Oct not tried to restore the autocracy./
Well, the autocracy may not be going, but a military dictatorship was going. This, in particular, by the Kornilov revolt.
About the atrocities of the Bolsheviks, believe that such cases could be (it's about rape, for example). And I do not believe that the Bolsheviks were the true fighters against the exploiters and oppressors. Someone actually fought on their side, because he wanted to overthrow the rule of landlords and capitalists, others, sensing the possibility of coming to power, wanted to make a career, someone in the name of the revolution sought to realize its destructiveness. However, I think that to reduce it to one thing, is the essence of the absolute. And the absolutization of a process or phenomenon does not contribute to its objective consideration.
On a subject: personally, I am inclined to think that stupid Ural Bolsheviks, creating the cause for canonization of Nicholas the Bloody and gave the bourgeois and Imperial apologists biggest trump card in the vilification of the revolutionary movement. Therefore, the human was the Ankh, when he said that "the Tsarist regime was not convicted purely legal". In General, I join the opinion of the Ankh.
"What a serf-peasant, the bourgeois, the king of all one - roundnose begemotnaya idiots, accustomed to bow down before the masters."
+1000 I Agree.
/So the execution of the king and his children - is just an ordinary act of violence of the Bolsheviks./
I don't think, because the very act of this cruelty contrary to judge Nicholas.
/The Bolsheviks in his cruel reign led to the death of a huge number of people, including children./
Including the Bolsheviks, and Communists. The Bolsheviks feared the counter-revolution from the outside, but she caught them from the inside.
And about the neutrality of the wiki, so I don't agree. There anyone can write, like the bourgeois of pelisterski and ympertsy, etc. Think about neutrality should be judged not by what site the source, but on the content of the text, and especially links to different sources of the warring parties.