Bioshock Infinite - Plot Discussion
It is called - I decided to "run" through the infinite, byrenka, to the shock end - to understand what kind of animal this is, which is now fashionable to discuss so fiercely.
As a result, no matter how hard I tried, I deleted 10 hours from my life for the sake of bioshock (pride, her mother, did not allow to put the gameplay on easy). Do I regret the time spent - a separate question, the topic is not about that, I can say one thing for sure - for me personally it is now very clear: fanboy (or journalistic - one hell of a thing) about the gameplay (dull, monotonous, protracted, bright, dynamic, wretched- shooter - whatever) - this is such crap, in comparison with what the Author wanted to share through his infinite - and, of course, we are not talking about the amazing Columbia (Colombia), not about Elizabeth and not about the ability of irrational games to design worlds inside the monitor ... And what, exactly? - tell me. After all, it is sincerely (!) Interesting.
In the meantime, a brief chronology of events through my eyes (through the eyes of a wild man, who does not really perceive foreign languages ​​by ear, since the subtitles helped out in moments). Therefore, I could not fully digest all that Anglo-gurgling mess of audio diaries - there was no accompanying subtitles at all. So, in hot pursuit:
The main character Booker (Devitt) had a child whom, roughly speaking, he screwed up the cards. And, apparently, in a state of severe hangover, he dutifully entrusted it to his creditors. The main one is a difficult man and, judging by the final scenes, this is DeWitt himself - only a little older. We all, together with Levin, know very well (now) that space-time is organized much more crookedly-obliquely than we think, and an innumerable set of alternatives corresponds to the reality familiar to man.
Booker's child - a girl who was not offended by nature, not deprived of talents, out of malice put all this Levin's alternative in the position she needed and reshaped reality in her own way. Apparently, this was what interested the guest from the alternative future, Booker "Elder" aka Comstock, who was deprived of his children, but obsessed with the idea of ​​a fix to transfer the reins of government to his own utopian state to the same religiously moved schizophrenic, like himself - flesh of flesh, as they say.
Meanwhile, Booker DeWitt, who had committed the most heinous act in his life, still got bored with the squirrel, began to hear voices, forget one thing and glue together fragments of other memories in a strange way - as a result, with the assistance of a couple of space-time stalkers, he goes to the heavenly city of Columbia (Colombia) - to rescue, allegedly in payment of that very debt, the maiden Elizabeth, who was captured in the tower by Comstock itself. Catch up on who this Elizabeth is, why she does not have a finger and why he actually went to Columbia, he cannot, or rather, refuses, almost until the very end credits.
Chronology can be called with a certain degree of conventionality, because - which is repeatedly and unequivocally hinted at by a couple of stalkers-humorists constantly flashing in the frame - there is no future, past and present, what will be - it already was and it is. Therefore, it is not possible to know for certain where the beginning is here and - even - what and how actually happened. And, remarkably, it doesn't matter at all. According to my first - fresh - sensation, Levin's multidimensional message is broadly as follows: each person, at various levels (be it metaphysical, cosmogonic, or everyday-applied), constructs his own realities, and ultimately only what he sees happens ( or feels). Created in a well-known image and likeness, a man got his hands on a full set of development tools. Does not matter,
It doesn't matter if DeWitt's journey to Columbia itself or (oh Lord, forgive the wildest script cliché) was just in his head. The important thing is that he gave up the child for debts, and then sought redemption for a sin, which (atonement) - according to the internal Booker redeemer Comstock - in principle cannot exist. And DeWitt is doomed to stalk the darkest corners of his own consciousness, to construct more and more new realities in search of deliverance. In this context, Comstock really suits the role of a shepherd, or rather, a kind of voice of conscience.
The thing is that Levin's work is so multidimensional - that many interpretations and points of view risk merging into white noise, in which everyone who can perceive the brightest author's presentation will find and convincingly justify their own cockroaches. By the way, this is also great, to build a huge mirror of the correct curvature is a very difficult and interesting task.
Therefore, I repeat, it is curious to read other people's impressions - after all, the infinite has something to talk about))
Modified April 6, 2013 by DiIn general, I ran the game, at the end I ran stupidly, ran around all the locations until the middle, but in the end I was more interested in the main plot and I scored some of the scraps of locations. In the Comstock house I decided to look for audio again, I was pleased. I decided that I would re-pass it on PS3, today or tomorrow I will buy a disk.
With the plot, I understood everything in general and I liked it. It reminded me of metal gear solid 2 finale, only in MGS2 it was thrown off in the finals and the brain just exploded, and in bioshock everything is very measured and the brain dies in a different way, but in general the effect is
[member = 'booch84'],
CODE in the clouds and nothing to do with the original
this is nonsense, complete. there are conscious self-quotes by Levin throughout the game, unambiguous parallelisms and direct references in audio diaries (I cannot vouch for the latter, since I did not learn a significant part of the text of the diaries during the first run, but my comrades suggest). You can, of course, mutter that embedding the rapcher into the grid of alternative realities of Infinite is nothing more than the most original attempt to knock out a tear of emotion from old (already?) fans of the original bioshock, but the abundance of plot threads that tie the trilogy together is clearly conceptual in nature. at least it was conceived during the development of the plot of the third part, for sure - and not suddenly entered the head of the scriptwriters a week before the bioshock went "for gold."
Modified April 9, 2013 by Di[member = 'Di'], you do not understand me, it was said only about the gameplay of this creation, it is completely different and primitive. I was really disappointed in the monotonous and uninteresting gameplay - it all comes down to shooting, and strength (abilities) are not played out in any way.
The versatility and uniqueness of the plot, art design, character (Elizabeth) and the concept of a floating city - 100% Goti and zebest (no questions asked), I agree with everyone, but everything else is for show in the game.
Gameplay not needed - not used crafting and the monotony of what is happening (a corridor with rails) killed the game in my eyes. It is sad to see that games these days are rolling into primitive casualness - from a gameplay point of view.
Modified April 9, 2013 by booch84[member = 'booch84'], approx.
in this I am rather in solidarity with those who advise to go through infinite on easy - then the gameplay will be much less stressful and, possibly, will bring even more fun. played - as in golden ai on nin64 or there, in Sirius Sam probably - i.e. stacking enemies in batches. here, after all, the booker is perceived by the superman much more than in the first part. I started the second playthrough already on easy - so that there were no plugs, as in the first.
in general, I don’t think the gameplay is dull, the energetics, again, were on a high. well, all for the sake of history and chic surroundings.
Modified April 9, 2013 by Di[quote name = 'booch84' timestamp = '1365503924' post = '3212213'] I was really disappointed in the monotonous and uninteresting gameplay - it all comes down to shooting, and power (abilities) are not played out in any way. [/ quote] Interesting. It seemed to me that the gameplay in the first bioshock was soporific, because the whole game revolves around the stupid and tedious shooting of big daddies by running around in dull corridors. : icon_rolleyes:
Speaking of Rapture, the scene with the return there and the death of the bird is one of the most impressive that I have ever seen in games. Just something. : icon_eek:
Well, I don’t impose my opinion on anyone, and even more so, I’m not going to minus anyone for an opinion that differs from mine.
And in terms of gameplay, the first part will be more varied with the existing tactics and thoughtful use of plasmids, which are played out in gameplay scenes, and in Infinite there is no desire to use them at all and they are not played out in the gameplay in any way - they are present there for show.
Modified April 9, 2013 by booch84[member = 'ANDREvv'], yeah. in the first part, the gameplay was much more boring. and there, too, it was possible not to use anything with stupid enemies and vitacamers
[offtopic] Gone from the main topic - let people understand and discuss the plot. 
I won't argue with anyone else. [/ Offtopic]
Damn, folks, help is needed. Let's make a list of questions about the game's plot. I am here, on the instructions of the party, sculpting something and come to the conclusion that I simply cannot cover everything. Firstly, I don’t remember much, and secondly, there are a lot of things in common with each other and it’s very difficult to describe it correctly in one piece of text.
Moreover, if the memory is good, then let's collect them in the correct sequence. From what I remember at the beginning:
1. Who is taking us in the boat?
2. Who is this with a bag on his head, killed in the lighthouse?
3. Who are the two who let us flip a coin and what do the numbers on the board mean?
4. Why does Comstock know about us and why so much?
5. Why does Elizabeth have these abilities?
6. What happened to Nightingale when we fell into the water?
7. What does the choice of a cage / bird medallion mean for Elizabeth?
8. Why does Slate think Booker fought and Comstock didn't? And how does he know the booker?
9. Why did the Luteses, given that they are outside of time and space, not set off to the starting point of all events (baptism) themselves, and themselves did not drown the future Comstock?
10. If there are many worlds, why did they drown that particular Booker? can other Bookers in other worlds before this event also become Comstock?
11. What is the booker at the very end after the credits? Why is he alive?
Throw in questions, whatever you have. It is advisable to remember when approximately this happened (chronology). And I'll save up here and try to include it in the final result. I don't need answers.
Modified April 9, 2013 by Lex Mercerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV0uavY7McA
[member = 'Lex Mercer'],
4. Why does Comstock know about us and why so much? - Comstock is a Booker from another reality.
6. What happened to Nightingale when we fell into the water? - deep pressure killed him (or a question about the first episode?)
Modified April 9, 2013 by booch84Why does Slate think Booker fought and Comstock didn't? And how does he know the booker?
And what is incomprehensible here? In the sense of where does the question come from?
Slate and Booker fought together on Wounded Knee. In addition, Slate does not know that Comstock is Booker and, accordingly, he does not like the fact that the bearded boast of participation in the battle, where, as he (Slate) thinks, there was no trace of him.
Everything should be very clear
Modified April 9, 2013 by MRDrama[member = 'booch84'], [member = 'MRDrama'], I don't need any answers. I already know them: icon_lol: I need questions!
People, your mother sorceress! I want a list of questions, not answers! I know the answers! : rolleyes07:
Modified April 9, 2013 by Lex Mercer[member = 'Lex Mercer'], Why didn't the Lutes, given that they are outside of time and space, go to the starting point of all events (baptism) and drown the future of Comstock by themselves? Of course, I myself have a couple of answers to this:
1) It was imperative to show all this to Booker so that he could comprehend and understand.
2) They basically give a fuck about the whole world, New York, etc., it's all just a scientific experiment for them.
Any other opinions? Or maybe everything is much simpler and I missed something?
my question is this -
if there are many worlds, why did they drown that particular Booker? can other Bookers in other worlds before this event also become Comstock?
What is the booker at the very end after the credits? Why is he alive?
I have the following question -
if there are many worlds, why did they drown that particular Booker? can other Bookers in other worlds before this event also become Comstock?
What is the booker at the very end after the credits? Why is he alive?
1) In all realities, except one, Booker becomes Comstock, so he is drowned, but not only this particular Booker, but all of them, I just don't show it to us, but they say that this particular place is the point of no return.
2) In this reality (the only one), Booker does not become Comstock and he has a daughter, Anna, and all the other Booker-Comstocks were killed, so no one ransoms the girl for debts, no one.
[quote name = 'itunereg' timestamp = '1365519947' post = '3212807'] In all realities, except one, Booker becomes Comstock, so he is drowned, but not only this Booker, but all of them, I just don't show it to us, but they say that this particular place is the point of no return. [/ quote]
Well, no, there were just an infinite number of Comstocks, in fact, that's why it was necessary to prevent its appearance altogether.
[quote name = 'ACE' timestamp = '1365513722' post = '3212512'] if there are many worlds, why did they drown that particular Booker? can other Bookers in other worlds before this event also become Comstock? [/ quote]
Because it was the starting point, from that moment the branching across the rest of the universes began.
By the way, does it say somewhere who is Nightingale?
Plus, it is also known which plot additions prepared at least approximately