God of War - Plot Discussion (Spoiler alert)
Topic for discussion of the plot
Naturally redone.
In Legends of Thor, the hero of the nine worlds, not a maniac
Odin and Mimir are kind of like friends
And Balder must be kind
19 minutes ago, Brontozyvr said:
Naturally redone.
In Legends of Thor, the hero of the nine worlds, not a maniac
Odin and Mimir are kind of like friends
And Balder must be kind
Thor - well, here's how to interpret, people worshiped Thor (just like in the game), so they had him as a hero. In reality, he may also have no business with mortals and he was a bloodthirsty maniac)
Mimir seemed to be Odin's advisor, in fact, as in the game. Only in the game, Odin got angry with him for something and planted him in a tree
Behold Balder yeah
Modified on April 24, 2018 by CRIMATORSuch a question: why are all the giants in Jotunheim dead if they escaped from Midgard and sealed the entrance to the world behind them?
23 hours ago, Jenea said:
he went to kill a giant (kratos' wife was a giant) and mistook kratos for a giant, watch the first fight and you will see the dialogues take on a different meaning
nope
there Balder says to him - "something you are far from home" (clearly hinting at Greece) and "but I thought your appearance should be so enlightened, better than us" (again hinting at a more civilized Greece)
in general, Balder's motivation is still not very clear. It is said that he came at the behest of Odin, but for what exactly? Kill? So at the beginning he says that it is not necessary to start bloodshed, he needs an answer to his question
Modified on April 24, 2018 by CRIMATOR
16 minutes ago, CRIMATOR said:
in general, Balder's motivation is still not very clear. It is said that he came at the behest of Odin, but for what exactly? Kill? So at the beginning he says that it is not necessary to start bloodshed, he needs an answer to his question
By the way, yes. I also remembered this moment
6 hours ago, CRIMATOR said:
there Balder says to him - "something you are far from home" (clearly hinting at Greece) and "but I thought your appearance should be so enlightened, better than us" (again hinting at a more civilized Greece)
in general, Balder's motivation is still not very clear. It is said that he came at the behest of Odin, but for what exactly? Kill? So at the beginning he says that it is not necessary to start bloodshed, he needs an answer to his question
Quotesomething you are far from home
far from Jotunheim
QuoteI thought you were bigger
bigger for a giant
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I thought you were all like that, higher beings
the giants had knowledge and visions that Odin himself wished to receive, well, and it is clear that Balder is making fun of him
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in general, Balder's motivation is still not very clear. It is said that he came at the behest of Odin, but for what exactly? Kill? So at the beginning he says that it is not necessary to start bloodshed, he needs an answer to his question
Well, everything is not so simple here, but I suppose that he wanted to know how Odin got to Jotunheim (a closed world for the gods), and the giants knew perfectly well what purpose Odin was pursuing, so Balder did not ask the question, considering that it was self-evident. Pay attention that he appeared just after the death of Kratos's wife, that is, perhaps before that they could not find a home because of her spell, and after her death the spell was dispelled.
Balder could never know that Kratos is a god from Greek mythology (even Mimir did not know this, and he was much wiser), and if you imagine that he came to a giant, then everything falls into place and the dialogues take on a different, more understandable meaning
Modified April 25, 2018 by Jenea
5 hours ago, Jenea said:
far from Jotunheim
maybe, but Greece is somehow more suitable
especially since many giants lived in Midgard, this was their home
5 hours ago, Jenea said:
bigger for a giant
well, this phrase does not mean anything, the more giants are just a race, it does not mean that they are real giants
5 hours ago, Jenea said:
the giants had knowledge and visions that Odin himself wished to receive, well, and it is clear that Balder is making fun of him
the original is slightly different
Quoteand here I thought your kind was supposed to be so enlightened, so much better than us
It is not clear why the giants should be "better" than the Aesir, the higher gods. In fact, Asgard is the most powerful and influential force in the world.
Maybe, of course, the giants thought that they were better, but the aces themselves did not think so for sure) They are still snobs and proud
5 hours ago, Jenea said:
well, not everything is so simple here, but I suppose that he wanted to know how Odin got to Jotunheim (a closed world for the gods)
That's how I understood Odin and that's how I got there, for all the giants in Jotunheim are dead
5 hours ago, Jenea said:
Balder could never know that Kratos is a god from Greek mythology (even Mimir did not know this, and he was much wiser)
Balder could not, but Odin was easy
Even Mimir said that he was incredibly smart and cunning.
5 hours ago, Jenea said:
and if you imagine that he came to a giant, then everything falls into place and the dialogues take on a different, more understandable meaning
well, the theory is interesting, but so far it does not have any clear evidence
CRIMATOR Well, at the moment when they break the portal to Jotunheim, Balder says that it turns out that all this time he needed not Kratos, but Atreus.
1 minute ago, iFrosten said:
CRIMATOR Well, at the moment when they break the portal to Jotunheim, Balder says that it turns out that all this time he needed not Kratos, but Atreus.
he says to Kratos - "you are just meat, and brains are a boy"
plus maybe at that time he had already learned some new information, in the first meeting he did not even know that Kratos was not alone
CRIMATOR Well, this collapses the theory that he came for Kratos from Greece, and not for someone else.
1 minute ago, iFrosten said:
CRIMATOR Well, this collapses the theory that he came for Kratos from Greece, and not for someone else.
even I did not understand how it collapses
first he needed Kratos, then something changed (he learned something) and he needed Atreus
By the way, I really liked the moment when Kratos (before breaking Balder's neck) says, "The cycle will end here, it will be better", the first half of the phrase is the phrase of Zeus from God Of War 2, when at the beginning of the game he kills Kratos. Perhaps by the way, this act of Kratos changed the course of time and events, and therefore in Jotunheim we see Atreus Kratos lying in his hands behind the cloth, and above we see Mimir in a tree. But if you look at the entire wall as a whole, it becomes clear that something went wrong, because it is essentially destroyed. There are runes, now I'm trying to translate them or find someone who can translate.
6 minutes ago, CRIMATOR said:
even I did not understand how it collapses
first he needed Kratos, then something changed (he learned something) and he needed Atreus
that is, according to your logic, balder went for bread, but in the end he bought beer?
6 minutes ago, iFrosten said:
that is, according to your logic, balder went for bread, but in the end he bought beer?
came for Kratos, fought with Kratos
then I learned something and switched to Atreus
1 hour ago, CRIMATOR said:
especially since many giants lived in Midgard, this was their home
so it used to be, but now no longer, all those who managed to get over to Jotunheim, and those who do not either died or are hiding (like the wife of Kratos)
1 hour ago, CRIMATOR said:well, this phrase does not mean anything, the more giants are just a race, it does not mean that they are real giants
doesn't mean, but usually they are big
this phrase is much better suited to the fact that Kratos is a giant instead of a Greek god, as if Balder knows how big other gods are, he himself is rather small for a god
1 hour ago, CRIMATOR said:
It is not clear why the giants should be "better" than the Aesir, the higher gods. In fact, Asgard is the most powerful and influential force in the world.
Maybe, of course, the giants thought that they were better, but the aces themselves did not think so for sure) They are still snobs and proud
so Balder taunts him, like all giants consider themselves better and smarter, although looking at Kratos he does not think so
1 hour ago, CRIMATOR said:
That's how I understood Odin and that's how I got there, for all the giants in Jotunheim are dead
there is no evidence of this, I generally think that we will still see giants in the next parts
1 hour ago, CRIMATOR said:
Balder could not, but Odin was easy
Even Mimir said that he was incredibly smart and cunning.
so this is Balder Came to Kratos at the beginning, not Alone
One may be smart, but certainly not smarter than Mimir, and Mimir did not know that Kratos is a god from Greek mythology
1 hour ago, CRIMATOR said:
well, the theory is interesting, but so far it does not have any clear evidence
This theory looks more plausible than the one that Balder originally knew that Kratos is a god from Greek mythology.
As I see what is happening: Kratos' wife / mother Atreya (aka Loki) was a giantess, and in order to protect herself and her family from the search for Odin and his gods, she put some protective special charms on the house. After her death, the enchantment disappeared (a golden trace from a hand on a tree - what is it? He flew in, saw Kratos and thought that the giant was Kratos, after which a dialogue took place with him.
His goal was to find out from the giant how to get to his relatives in Jotunheim, and then kill him. The giants knew perfectly well why Balder was hunting them, so he did not see fit to ask this question directly.
And this is where this phrase fits perfectly:
QuoteSo at the beginning he says that it is not necessary to start bloodshed, he needs an answer to his question
Later, during a fight, he was surprised when he saw two beds, that is, he initially assumed that there was only one giant, and much later, closer to the end, when he said that
44 minutes ago, iFrosten said:it turns out all this time he needed not kratos, but atreus
he means that he wanted a giant, and this is Atreus, but not Kratos.
For me, this theory is the most plausible and fits perfectly into the context.
Modified April 25, 2018 by JeneaWhat is the dispute about? In the game, it is plainly stated that Balder initially followed Kratos' wife, unaware that only ashes remained of her.
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(a golden handprint on a tree - what is this anyway ?!)
Hmm, in Jotunheim there was also such a trail, maybe Feya did it on purpose, as if she left traces for Kratos and Atreus so that they would go in the right direction? HM.
I think there is just a ring of marked trees, when Kratos cuts the last one, the shield falls off and evil spirits penetrate into the circle, plus a balder immediately flies in.
Just now, Kurzgesagt said:Hmm, in Jotunheim there was also such a trail, maybe Feya did it on purpose, as if she left traces for Kratos and Atreus so that they would go in the right direction? HM.
The barlog in the spoilercast said that it was she who marked all these yellow runes on the walls on which we climb)
14 hours ago, CRIMATOR said:
In general, Jormungand in mythology is the son of Loki, in general, they altered quite a lot in the game for themselves)
in the game it is exactly the same, Jormungand is the son of Loki.
1) Mimir said that during Ragnarok, Jormungand fought with Thor with such force that he was thrown back into the past, and when Loki asked about the present time (whether it is past or not), he said that everything is relative.
That is, in the game Jormungand is Jormungand from the future, which was thrown back into the past.
2) The serpent told Mimir that Atreus reminds him of someone (most likely he reminds him of his father - Loki, because this is the same person)
I advise you to read this topic, there are a lot of interesting theories
https://www.resetera.com/threads/spoilers-god-of-war-spoiler-thread-spoiler-thread-beware-of-spoilers.31837/
Modified April 25, 2018 by JeneaAt 25.04.2018 at 14:49, B11zzard said:
I think there is just a ring of marked trees, when Kratos cuts the last one, the shield falls off and evil spirits penetrate into the circle, plus a balder immediately flies in.
The barlog in the spoilercast said that it was she who marked all these yellow runes on the walls on which we climb)
Interestingly, and it seems that thanks to this tree (with a mark), they burn Fay and at the same time this mark, it turns into dust, and no matter how strange it sounds, it helps them on their journey? HM. And spoilercast, do you mean these lost pages?
Damn, it's a pity that you can't return to Jotunheim, you'll have to look for a passage on YouTube and write down the runes and translate them.
Modified February 19, 2020 by Kurzgesagt