Closing torrent trackers
---ihappy
The rules of commodity production on the digital copies don't work. Goods are produced in units, and multiply them COPY and PASTE - not.
And service is not a commodity!
And the capitalists and the air product call, etc. natural resources (sunlight, rain as well).
People just drive the crap in the head, turning them into obedient slaves.
It's just a substitution of concepts.
That only is our VAT!?
Bonus
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Ryazancev wrote:
The rules of commodity production on the digital copies don't work. Goods are produced in units, and multiply them COPY and PASTE - not.
And service is not a commodity!
You clearly don't understand what is the product. I'm probably not mistaken saying that you are not selling)
Service. the same product.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Услуга
Service (in economic theory) — a type of product that can be produced, transferred and consumed at the same time.
Check.
And the property copy and paste here does not matter. As it is the nuances of the product.
In fact, all you can get for the money, is a commodity. But material or not, it is not fact does not change.
Ryazancev wrote:
And the capitalists and the air product call, etc. natural resources (sunlight, rain as well).
People just drive the crap in the head, turning them into obedient slaves.
Well, we live in capitalism. What to do? Ignore? Then it's kindergarten.
Ryazancev wrote:
That only is our VAT!?
Why is he ours? He the world! And where VAT is garbage. Clung to him.
PS. You obviously think only of the consumer side. From here the root of the problem. You need to start, what to sell and then you will change your point of view.
The fact that the capitalists are cashing in, I do not deny. But torrents are not fighting with the capitalists. They are capitalists, just don't want to pay for someone else's work, but to get your gesheft.
ihappy
Service (in economic theory) — a type of product that can be produced, transferred and consumed at the same time.
Do you even think about this nonsense, or are you nothing?
ihappy wrote:
But torrents are not fighting with the capitalists.
What do you think they are doing?
Do you know what the profit, added value?
I believe that making an intangible product cannot be indefinitely propagated and to get unreasonable profits. And if it is copied millions of pieces (figure)-then the cost of it should be symbolic (a penny).
Hard to have a conversation with a person not able to think for themselves (to use different methods of thinking). And still brainwashed.
There is one story. A student with a small scholarship does not have enough money to buy a book. And in the College library free access to books was not. He had to download it with a torrent. Learned a former student, invented the modern rocket for flights to other planets, and brought great benefit to his country.
Therefore the harm of torrents is strongly exaggerated by a small group of capitalists whose profit is the highest value on freedom and morality.
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Ryazancev wrote:
What do you think they are doing?
Earn loot. Like that. You're like a little.
Damn altruists bortsuny)
Ryazancev wrote:
I believe that making an intangible product cannot be indefinitely propagated and to get unreasonable profits.
This is not the topic of conversation.
You might want to consider.
Ryazancev wrote:
And if it is copied millions of pieces (figure)-then the cost of it should be symbolic (a penny).
Everything depends on the profits and expenses. And not on units sold. Although the relationship certainly is.
Ryazancev wrote:
Hard to have a conversation with a person not able to think for themselves (to use different methods of thinking). And still brainwashed.
Self-critical.
Ryazancev wrote:
Do you even think about this nonsense, or are you nothing?
Now, think.
Barber provides a service. Cuts your hair. That is produces service transmits your hair(I know sounds funny) and that you is the consumer services.
That's not logical?
Anyone has brain, he will understand
Production, in an economic sense — the process of creating any product.
The concept of production characterizes specifically human type of metabolism with nature, or more precisely a process of active transformation of natural resources into a product[1][2]. As noted by the encyclopedia of philosophy, the production process always is social in nature: the production of isolated loners outside of society is, in the words of Marx, the same nonsense as the development of language without individuals living together[3].
Modern social production includes not only material production but also the intangibles — the production of intangible goods and services (new scientific discoveries, technological inventions, public education, culture, art, health, domestic services, management, Finance, sports, etc.). The development of the intangible production and services crucially depends on the production of wealth — its technical equipment and the value of output.
That's so Wikipedia we litter the brain?
And material production, economists began to call the real sector of the economy.
So, if I went poop, I went to the production of ? feces (Stool, feces or simply cal is an essential product of the vital activity of any living organism). Or when the kids go to Karate, they also go into production!?
A loan taken from a Bank or from a moneylender is also production!!! Loan interest maybe!?
Here's a logic Wikipedia.
What other wonders substitution of concepts, we can offer Capitalism, which aims only at profit (the Main criterion for making economic decisions is the desire to increase the capital to make a profit.-Wikipedia)?
The funny thing is that when we usually speak about piracy, the example result in lost profits. But the whole point is that the lost profit cannot be quantitatively calculated, and to equate the number of downloads = the number of sales is not tenable, for it is impossible to say with certainty that someone downloaded, that would have bought. Any real damage can be counted quantitatively, otherwise damage this is purely theoretical, therefore the actual damage caused by piracy is not.
yariko.v
With the number of material production rules are not working. They can't be used. Figure can not be linked to the number. A number can have only material objects of the physical world.
Spoileralert — category that expresses the external, formal relation of objects or their parts and properties, connections: the size, number, degree of manifestation of a particular property.
Digital copy is not a subject!
ihappy wrote:
Torrents is a hotbed of piracy.
Fact. On any torrent you download free then products.
That's right, only torrents is not only piracy, but also much more. Otherwise, following your logic, you should ban all weapons in the world, because with it, kill people...
ihappy wrote:
And now think of the state.
Also true, but not enough. It should be more, so businessman put yourself in the place of a simple user, I would look through his eyes at the situation. And that? Doesn't want to? Then why WE have to respect *them*? The respect thing is mutual, but the Internet allows you to work wonders with many goods in electronic form: copy easy without investment. It is in the real world you figure copies something complex, and in the Internet a movie or a program in two clicks, you have a copy. And what to pay for? Per copy that you make once or twice? Greed you, businessmen, scents, mm? 8)
ihappy wrote:
To make for example Windows. Need $ 100 billion and tens of years of development.
In the United States is a private Corporation, in Russia - state. Why not? The idea is that once public, then the money is taken from taxes of companies, but because Windows own and their movies, in theory, paid in advance by society.
ihappy wrote:
And piracy can not fight selectively.
First it would be necessary to carry out the separation, for all is not piracy, that the government calls.
ihappy wrote:
In the EU, I know how to solve the problem. The owners of the torrents thrown in jail. And fast.
Lol, you know little )) by the Way, if you forgot, I'm from Estonia. And I do not recall that someone here planted for torrents. My Slippers do not tell ))
Such planting is a publicity stunt to frighten the people. Happens once a year somewhere, then forget all. One more thing. Literacy: in every EU country has its own laws about torrents. There is a common, but there are also, local. In Germany, for example, stricter in the Baltic States - softer.
ihappy wrote:
you have the right to view(if you are talking about the movie).
Understand the difference between the right view and buying things?
I deny the view right, because I bought the disc or downloaded money file, I have it all. The right view is viewing the movie for the money, online cinema, when the file you have and you're watching streaming video. Oh, of course. And if you bought the file, then it is all right, file my want copy, want show to anyone. And that? No? Yes, fellow businessmen, it's common sense, and your sagging in the power laws are inconsistent with it. That's why I said about the violation of user rights.
This is similar to the discussion of piracy in the same tracker )) Argument here can ever last...
ihappy wrote:
That's when you write your product and having it stolen. Then we can talk about whether they are good or not.
Clichéd argument, saw this in dispute on the tracker, in which I took an active part ^_^
The typical argument, to submit such a dispute is impossible. This is an attempt to force the opponent to look at the problem through the eyes of the other party. Useful, but does not change the fact, does not solve the problem. That is, it does not disprove the correctness of the user on the possibility to use copies of the product, is nothing more than a way to show the opponent how the other side thinks.
ihappy wrote:
Well, we live in capitalism. What to do? Ignore?
No... go to the next stage of development of society: social justice, social equality, the abolition of elites, the transfer of part of the mechanism of government on the shoulders of the people in the form of people's councils for each locality...
Well, you asked the same -)
ihappy wrote:
You obviously think only of the consumer side. From here the root of the problem.
If you think only of the business, the problem will not go away. Let the search for a compromise...
Ryazancev wrote:
If you look from the side of Logic, then the Digital backup-product is not.
Right, here is the logic: if the copy can be done once or twice, that price is zero cents. Trite, but true, it is undeniable by anyone, ever. And then we have laws that artificially limit our rights to use this copy. Hence disputes. I can understand their logic (business), but they will understand us.
Ryazancev wrote:
And service is not a commodity!
Obviously, service is a service. Pay, for example, porter, what do you home furniture drags. But for the service also pay. Just some people think that buying a film on disc (or download charge), you buy the right to view. IT's funny, really. I have the file, and no one in the entire Universe not the boss of me to say that I can't make a copy of the file. This transcendent audacity =]
yariko.v wrote:
The funny thing is that when we usually speak about piracy, the example result in lost profits. But the whole point is that the lost profit cannot be quantified to calculate
Yes, it is impossible to prove, for example, in court, because nobody in the world is able to prove that YOU WOULD have to buy all the things that rocked still, if WOULDN't have been able to download ;]
Ryazancev wrote:
Digital copy is not a subject!
+1 absolutely true ) And it objectively, not from the point of view of the consumer or someone else, it is a fact and it is undeniable. Copies will be made easy and anyone, therefore, the prices they have. May not be the prices that you can rivet millions without the overhead, roughly speaking (and if not, roughly, that it is about electricity, wear, electronics and so on, let the economists or anyone else there *is* going to count, I laugh).
MelShlemming
Yes ? okay here I bought the thing game. why I can't give the people ?
many celebrities, authors are not opposed to people torrents used .
Thom Yorke, for example, openly talking about it they have to swing, because on the radio lately twist one der.mo
from his own statements That's why I write music because I can't find it. I hear her but can not find anywhere else because it is and that people and everybody hears it. Such is the approach of a person to theft. Excellent by the way and smart!
and resent mostly young, not so popular authors, pisateli, musicians. And it's purely about money, royalties and other things, and not about what and how to communicate to people.
Ryazancev
Yes, the production of material goods is very different from the production of digital. In the production of, for example, bread, every loaf is a worker, not a copy. The capitalist, according to Marx, knocks, in this case, the profit of the workers, appropriating the surplus value. So when you steal a loaf of bread - you're stealing from the workers their labour and bear the individual responsibility. With digital products, everything is different, where the capitalist makes a profit not only by the surplus value of workers, but at the expense of buyers. Digital copy of for example completely worthless (or worth a penny), every digital copy is not a separate workers, as in the case of a loaf of bread. So, downloading a torrent, you are not individual, but collective responsibility is already a phantom in front of the capitalist, because it all depends on how many copies the capitalist will sell and whether he will get profit for air. In fact, the capitalist has no right to complain about piracy, if he sold air more than was spent on the production of the original game, because we know that from the standpoint of the labor theory of value, the price of a copy is zero point horseradish tenths. But if it is, according to Marx...
Gauguin
But we know that actually for downloading music, movies and games from torrents BOHAIRIC. On the basis of this indisputable truth, I try to sin in especially large sizes so I was not in front of BOHOM then ashamed that I was distracting him unnecessarily and isolated cases.
Wing42
Go to the temple to buy a candle and all the sins you will forgive, God forgave and told us.
Gauguin wrote:
each digital copy is not a separate workers, as in the case of a loaf of bread.
The most interesting that all understand it (except for the broken), but in the end still introduced laws with restrictions )), the Internet has shown, *that* is capitalism...
Wing42 wrote:
I'm not a bandit to the sins in the churches to atone for.
Where do you atone for them? 8)