Ending: Discussion (Spoiler alert) (The Last of Us)
In General, do not like me and that's it. Someone might like it. The whole game we walked through the city, kanaki, forests, spent an entire year and in the end we were shown a 30 second dialogue about how Joel lied to Ellie that she has many, all. Strange dogs, but I heard it will be DLC story, maybe it will give us a clear ending.I read the comments..very impressed but unfortunately did not see your thoughts in a comment only in part. Expressing his party IMHO. Why call the game on the Russian translation of One of us. Not casual. always translate from English by the principle as is, and the principle of the meaning of the picture. All who killed the main characters were people with their life principles and goals that helped them to LIVE simply. Why the man saved the girl from the surgery? write here all what he has done helps others, saves her for the sake of nobility and TP...and he saves her, only caring about his skin..he saw the meaning of his life...his thread for which he can live, remember his last words..and for the sake of this thread, and not for girls and humanity he is betraying their loved one by a false oath. Not in order she was not in pain but for himself..for his salvation, for the meaning of his existence - to survive. Therefore, it is no different from those with whom they were exchanging fire...so the game is called One of US.
The plot is not just open to us that we should not assess the girl as a youngster but to survive, that is right - you need to regarded as a full Person. With your thoughts and ideas, positions and ambitions. And hero knew it. So he gave her the gun, etc..all is revealed in the story. So he had to give her the choice but eyed their explanations and thoughts. IMHO.
Everything we do in life is judge others for their actions, impose our social morality of being because we believe that they are correct and what each of us is different from everyone else..this is a very difficult question.
What is the purpose of life girls? Why is it no one has thought of. Its aim is to help others like her deceased friends, who contracted the virus and died in front of her..for her this is the meaning, the meaning to help people like her...so who is he to deny this sense of finding it for yourself.
I'm not judging character, but only saying that one is the correct translation
onexz
Maybe in some ways you're right (not going to talk about reasoning). But obviously not in terms of One is the correct translation of. Translated because a lot of the original meanings of the phrase (decided not to burden themselves and the players). And that label fits.
another idea is this..the main character for the salvation of mankind was willing to sacrifice the life of a brother, his life, wife, future children, or restless sleep, what brother and said I will not be able to live with it to his wife when he was persuaded that he needed to leave. In the story it was clear that the hero wanted to escape, and to give the brother that wear. And in the end for the salvation of mankind, he personally could not give himself as a sacrifice, i.e. the brother was willing to give, and myself could not..
In General, I think there is a problem of life existence reveals deep, our dependence on companies. As a whole after the murder arise from simple platitudes - inability to feed themselves the nature. Our society is too separated from nature, degraded. But this is not bad, it's just there is a risk of survival.
onexz
the main character for the salvation of mankind was willing to sacrifice the life of a brother ... it was clear that the hero wanted to get away and give my brother this carry
I do not agree. Dzhoyl represented brother in the same alone as he is, plus knowing how to find the Crickets. At the time of the decision about the search for Tommy to be the next maintainer for girls, Dzhoyl saw this option the best. To sacrifice anyone he wasn't going to, on the contrary, wanted to convey the baton more suitable, in his opinion, man. Here has already been stated that in the world of TLoU have little people that can be a goal in life. And your brother, just for the heads.the heroes of this goal and steel. The engine by which they went forward. Was, damn, six months! Of course, a lot has changed in their relationship. But the idea is to get to the brother, as he was, and remained.
And when they came, Dzhoyl threshold dumped his venture. The goal is achieved. But already after to it slowly but surely beginning to realize that the girl that dear to him (and to break up with her now it is not as easy as it seemed at first), and my brother was worse than expected. Realized that to get Ellie with Tommy wasn't the wisest decision, for the Tommy, for Ellie, for, in fact, Jola! The final insight we see in the game.
PERSONALLY, I perceive a given moment exactly. Really at anybody such was not? Put yourself literally obsession and, like a tank, follow it, and when you get, you realize that the idea was not so successful... Metamorphosis Jola I will give Ellie's brother, then, Oh, no will not give up seem completely normal to the human doubts and reasoning how to act, etc.. Claim to this plot point, no, IMHO.
Nowhere above does not found your thoughts about the salvation of mankind, so I will add:
To save looters and cannibals vaccine - refuse. Burn all the zombies and mutated Cordyceps, wydechowy disputes in basements, Napalm - truly the best idea put forward here!
But why nobody wrote about those mentioned 20 families, among whom was the family of Tommy? Who have learned to live without sacrifice of the little girls in the name of meager hope of revealing the vaccine. People found how to survive, humanity is NOT doomed.
Believe in utopia, and believe that this is not the only such camp in the world of TLoU!
Understand the Crickets and their dream. But in light of all(!) we opened events, I fully approve of the choice Geula. The ending is correct.
Miriad
I agree one hundred percent. People will always divide into those who just want to take and seize on those who are trying to create and save. Looters are not trying to create a normal world, because it needs to help the weak, to tear off a piece of himself, to step on your throat. I think the creators of the game intentionally deprived them of the female half, because we do not find in these gangs of women, and not because among the weaker sex with less frostbitten..K, no - this is done to ensure that the human subconscious is the feeling that this community is flawed and unnatural in nature. Although in real life there would have been full of their Rozali Countrywoman Ratched types and murderers. And the ending is correct, no pop in the spirit of happy end, no. It's much more complicated and deeper.
He lied. She understood.
The strongest ending. I don't know how to describe what I felt when Joel, holding the hands of Ellie, running from the Fireflies.
And that moment in the car when it is not yet clear, he took the girl or not. It's something simple.
on the contrary, wanted to convey the baton more suitable, in his opinion, man.
Rather, he wanted to get rid of this relay. )
People fled from the past. So he and a picture of he and his daughter took, and even rudely responded.
And in that moment, when Annie ran over it, he understood and realized that from responsibility and from the past, anyway, not escape. He speaks about it, but later, when they through the Park with giraffes pass.
In General, there is more a psychological thing than what is rational.
Understand the Crickets and their dream.
It's not a dream, but running behind the shadow of the past. If Joel runs away from the past, the Cicada on the contrary pytajutsja catch up to him and back. They don't understand that the world, as what it was, will not return. The debate is, and they must read and uzhivutsya how people get viruses etc.
And put on the altar of this utopia little girl, cut off her brain, without any guarantees, it is barbarism and savagery.
Nobody can guarantee that disputes do not mutate to survive.
Therefore, this choice. Joel that old fart, life is lived, understood what was happening. ))
The strongest ending.
Yes. And the whole game basically. A lot of things not spoken, but everything is clear without words. As in family relationships. )))
Gera95: Rather, he wanted to get rid of this relay.
Not without it, Yes)
Gera95: And in that moment ... he understood and realized ... well, there's more a psychological thing than what is rational.
It's not a dream, but running behind the shadow of the past.
Whatever you call, and You and exactly about the same thing anyway)
Sеkret :He lied. She understood.
By the way, not a fact. Her expression could mean severe pain from what she ultimately are unable to help humanity, for example. But here everyone sees their own, or what your imagination) Which meant the facial expression of Ellie Ellie only knows (well, and maybe the developers)
Miriad
Her expression could mean severe pain from what she ultimately are unable to help humanity, for example.
Possible.
But Ellie is not stupid. I think she understood, but accepted the lies of Joel.
I think she understood, but accepted the lies of Joel.
I'm also more inclined to this, because she says - okay, just as she is saying in those moments when everyone knew, or knew something, but didn't want to aggravate the situation and argue with Joel.
Perhaps she knew that her want to saw, so she had a state of reverie in the last mission. This circumstantial points and the woman of the Cicadas, saying that it was her choice.
It may have been her, but the meeting with Joel, when she was alone. But having met him, a man who cares about her, in fact the father she never had, it was him.
Gera95
I think I have the same opinion. Perhaps even Ellie knew all about the cut from the beginning of the road..although not according to tape recordings of cicadas, the fact that it will cut only found out there, and Ellie couldn't know about it until you arrive to them.
Do wonder why she was so zadumchivyi latest Chapter who thinks that? IMHO. first reaction I thought about the fact that she remembered their adventures about the deer and how they ended, because she looked first at the poster with a deer, but it seems to me that there is something deeper. About the cut with the cicadas she didn't know, I wrote above why. So is most likely the fact that she didn't want to leave Jola, as she realized that in the end of the road differ with him and she was very sad + the hero asked her to drop everything and go to live with brother
onexz
I was under the impression that her thoughtfulness - total print impressions for the traversed path. So much cruelty, senselessness..
Probably someone already mentioned, but I will repeat for the first fasting. The fact that people like Ellie a lot, Joel did NOT lie, it is said in the voice which you pick up in the hospital of Cicadas.. And for the same reason, and you do not like the game, this game is for Mature people who appreciate in the game is the plot and the attention to detail, you the same, even without looking at the info, probably need to play in spinnomozgovu shooters.
This is the BEST game I've seen, and this is given that my gaming experience much more than most of us here. The best for many reasons, and for the love of detail of developers and because of the music, because of the filing and of the atmosphere, because of the characters and scenario, because of the depth of emotion and bare of human values and relationships between people.. you Can still continue, it is a masterpiece and I'm impressed, very impressed.
onexz 02.08.13 07:05
Do wonder why she was so zadumchivyi latest Chapter who thinks that?
Yes what there to think about? YOU played?
The teenager, the man who recently played with dolls, killed himself, saw death regularly and slipped away from her just for a moment, Ellie was focused on the death itself, for the sake of ephemeral humanity, although in reality her life is worth far MORE than the supposedly mythical good of the society, for which she wanted to leave this life never having seen. This girl (in game) there are many humane, much more than in all what she wanted to give his tiny body.. eh...
Stepanian
I would not say that this game is a helluva lot atmospheric. This also applies to other game studios Uncharted.
Minus or plus is hard to say, probably more of a plus than a minus)
If you want to play like, but really atmospheric game, then play I Am Alive.
I also want to advise you to play Alan Wake. The game is also Mature and very atmospheric, I think you should too please)
Frost_47
You called a very good game.
But ... they are, after all, are not suitable for comparison with TLOU. In them the atmosphere created by the fear the player. The same atmosphere you can get when watching horror. In discussing here the game the atmosphere created by the more subtle touches of human feelings. It is dominated by fear, and the gradual realization of the tragedy.
Alan Wake is certainly a slightly different genre)
Miriad
So we just have different concepts Atmospheric games :)
Alan Wake yeah, not like TLOU I called her only for comparison experience. Alan Wake is much atmospheric game than TLOU! Just don't get that I don't want to prove that AW is better)
If you take your concept of an atmospheric game, nothing like of the games I can not name. TLOU is perhaps the only such game. If you think of something similar name)