Dragon Age: Origins vs. Neverwinter Nights 2 (Dragon Age: Origins)

here I am once once played in edge has established itself нвн2 storm of Zehir but I play the original нвн2 and in the storm, never played, I will say that the game is good variety(diversity), BUT I did not like the fact that the game is pretty bad and not convenient inventory, better would have common equipment, well, even if not so normal in the sense that things are scattered haphazardly and no partitions on weapons, armor, etc. all in one bunch and it's bad I didn't like in the game control but rather the camera, I liked the fact that the game is a little slow moving for example the Persians, they brake like turtles, not like the use of spells, as after each fight you have to rest and it soon begins to pall, and I pretty liked it not a convenient interface when talking to NPC, after the first 2-3 hours of play, I rarely play that bad dragon is the fact that sravneniyu with нвн2 it has less variety of weapons, armor etc. and still I'm more dragon than hooked нвн2

Zederbaum 16.12.09 16:33: Word. Expressed another blah-blah. Without specifics.
Just killing a three-world that for you is... - I agree.Justify: first: I'm certainly not God there much of a gamer,but the last few years have not seen a SINGLE NEW CONCEPT in games of this genre.Anyway all osnovyvaetsya on this principle: Yes,find books;flowers;poop hippopotamus - are one.THEM....what has not changed.The fact that Ayse or first HB REALLY THERE are...mmm...quest punctures - this is actually not surprising - look year.You better tell me what is different DAE with his quest"to Collect 12любовных letters,Collect 10 garnets and 5 main locations (Ostagar,Denerim,the Forest,Redcliffe,Tower of Magi) and released VERY recently, from pressure washers,released when budenovtsy white beat concept?The principles are the same.In short,to sum up: don't say that modern game than PRINCIPLED use different from those of whom we speak is just not serious..Added the sex,the graphics,well, gadgets,appropriate fashion trends, or borrowed in other games..EVERYTHING.PT.Second, obratem sight on the positive aspects.The choice of character.It's JUST a squeak,when you begin to create a character and just ofigevayu from diversity, nature,race (WHERE,IN WHAT other GAME have YOU MET DUERGAR??!!),class (cleric-what?to what God is (and,respectively, and his bun special); wizard - any specialization? the magician(et General theme!) - what school of witchcraft true?what is sharpened? - in what other game you choose is not just banal(but dearly loved me) the necromancer, and the sorcerer-necromancer specializing in the appropriate school of magic?:)),voice(to be quite honest, the voicethere is of course....well, you know),appearance(hahahahah,but the game then a year??!!:)))))) etc. Such diverse,delicate,deep and addictive character customization I have not seen for a very long time (well Folaut do not take for he is here out of place)...but with the same character creation,if you have a fantasy of everything is OK,we can describe the pleasure and anticipation of future events...in SHORT,the GENERAL CONCLUSION is that these games are IN MY EYES not an inch inferior to the modern giants...IT is 100%.And with modern capabilities,these igrulina would have surpassed everything,even now.
PS Newerwinter Nights2 consider it a failed game and a disappointment,who haven't justified expectation in any way.

have not seen ANY NEW CONCEPTS in games of this genre
I proceed now to the second Neverwinter..
So. In the Second Neverwinter world, in contrast to the DIY First part IS. It's not free but it is complete. There's the aforementioned monotonous Muti about the center and four lanes. Yes, even in Shadows of Undrentide and the Hordes of this is almost there, though in them also there is no peace, and there is a linear hack Ala Diablo. In Nevers 2 world is. So by cash.

don't say that modern game than PRINCIPLED use different from those of whom we speak
I didn't say it, but the First Neverwinter for boredom and monotony to criticize love.

WELL,WHERE, IN WHAT OTHER GAME HAVE YOU MET DUERGAR?
And what game you met titling or aasimara?!

cleric-what?to what God is
What game is the addition of the cleric choice is that of God himself?!

the magician - any specialization? the magician(et General theme!) - what school of witchcraft true?what is sharpened? - in what other game you choose is not just banal(but dearly loved me) the necromancer
Do what? Maybe the one where the wizard is also possible to make a red wizard of Tay or Secret scientist from Candlekeep?

Such a diverse,subtle,deep and addictive character customization I have not seen for a very long time
In short, the conclusion is clear. In the second part, pressed the recommended. It makes no sense to argue with the fact that character creation and leveling is much larger and deeper in НВН2.

Newerwinter Nights2 consider it a failed game and a disappointment,who haven't justified expectation in any way
Here are just 2 of the argument with the leveling system, and peace in the first part so far have gone nowhere.

Something in NVN first,despite the flashy stuff-lotions, brings boredom - simplicity and emptiness. Running on the locations in the style of a hollow tree stump, feel downright depressed all the riot out of nothing - quickly pass and be forgotten. Oddly enough, TAO recalled it was the first part, but not the second. Bioware's own persona?

Nagual Silverhart
+0.5
Ulicetea
+0.5

I don't understand why you are so against
НвН1??? It's a classic, the game is not new,
many of which were not realized, and the thought
it was in НвН2, but discount on time no losses
does not? For its time the game was just
masterpiece-the engine (IMHO) was smoother than
НвН2, there was funny animations.
The game and gamers, and some publications completely
honored called a worthy descendant of Baldur's
Gate and Icewind Dale!!! And it's not enough! You have
tell here that these games were count backward,
porzhu =)
Honestly, I НвН1 remember with great warmth,
and ya know it, I even НвН2 did not sit down, which
at first I was terribly discouraged, but understanding, I
saw that the game is no less worthy than the first part!
(Storm Ov Zecher excl.)

Now, about the world, strange reasoning, festivals
in world from location to location is. world only on paper,
in fact, the same system as in НвН1, also walking on
locations, and do psycomantum, like there locations
bigger/prettier/better etc. not subject, on taste and color
comrades. My example was just STRUCK by the addon НвН2 -
Mysteries Of Westgate, which reminded me of that old
good НвН1, and the add-on is a true Masterpiece! opinion not me
one hundred and discerning fans of classic RPGs!

TAO is not a NVN by far, because not Faerun (old and
the great world), and it is not clear, but tasteful, and
this game is a definite step forward, but not return
to basics. Apparently there are a lot of Addons
and maybe even a couple of sequels.

Nagual Silverhart
First: the Sex was still НвН1, I had to go
to whores, and you can see shy =)

Second: Warlock-Necromancer... or I did not understand,
or you are a heretic and a pervert classes!!! =)

Third: Drapery was НвН2!

PS I did it in DAO sexy enough
sorry, the original Negro Fornication Mage, and I am very happy ;)

Ulicetea
17.12.09 17:35; - no,no dear I am the first and the second part of the Nevers not intend to compare and the fact that I however believe the second part completely failed,yet recognize that IT MAY TAKE PLACE.. (in the sense that I don't like - someone like...to health in short).I am repelled by the title of the topic and Express my personal and subjective opinion may,zaklyuchaetsya that personally for me is much more value and interest is in the game plan of Nevers and ice,released in the yearthan thee touted TE (I personally now play with pleasure).The question here in fact is absolutely different - the title of the topic remember:) are You trying dialogue with the theme that I picked up (I would have called her What's cooler NV(polykaryocyte) or DAE for each person), to transfer to the monologue offered by you...:))))(I would have called it My opinion is cooler because I don't agree with your):))))))Hahahah...Well,as you plublish case:
*In Nevers 2 the world is out,in my opinion?NV with НВ2 inclined to discuss only with people who know my attitude to progam PRINCIPLE of this specific in particular (at my weak spot):))))Because if you start these games to discuss with you,then nothing productive is not over - I'm STILL convinced I will defend the view that НВ2 - shit (excl.in comparison with the first part,EXCL.for me,and ONLY in the sense that it did not meet the time expectations,which demanded for the development of FUNDAMENTALLY not having any really cool changes)
*I didn't say it, but the First Neverwinter for boredom and monotony to criticize like well, you're a fan of specificity:)))In my eyes, you in one sentence you admit that arguing with me is not because of fundamental differences in beliefs,and just because I love...to criticize like:))))
*In what game you met titling or aasimara?!
"well....is,as they say in Odessa:))))I wouldn't say that to me...OKAY,I ADMIT it - ATE.Okay,have it your way,but you again compare part 1 and 2...
*Indeed, what? Maybe the one where the wizard is also possible to make a red wizard of Tay or Secret scientist from Candlekeep? - same as above...
*In short, the conclusion is clear. In the second part, pressed the recommended. It makes no sense to argue with the fact that character creation and leveling is much larger and deeper in НВН2.
- NEVER IN ONE GAME pressed in recommended.
*Here are just 2 of the argument with the leveling system, and peace in the first part so far have gone nowhere - eeeeeeeeee!!!STOP!You probably do not understand what I was saying.But after rereading it,I realized that my fault is - I experience Isvind Dale and НВ1 mixed in something else...But I compared the overall impression from them not НВ2, and with TE (again,not comparing the two games in factand compared the two principles, one of which may be old,but cool,and the second - albeit new and shiny - but it is absolutely not carrying anything new).
*A Newerwinter Nights2 consider it a failed game and a disappointment,who haven't justified expectation in any way.... - I wrote after you ran into НВ1 and ICE just decided to designate this point,you have to understand that for me the newdoes not imply the best.For that I apologize - my error in saying thoughts.

Daemon Artist
18.12.09 00:06 - first: the Sex was still НвН1, I had to go
to whores, and you can see shy =) - I didn't mean sex in the plan is there,but it's not.I meant that in the modern igruha this topic,like graphics or convenience equipment or...well, everything in that line is ADDED and developed...but the PRINCIPLES are the same: system location,structure build of stats of characters and so this remark was written more in the context of the approval Ulicetea:
Just kills three-the world is....I was surprised by his position,which he argues saying that in НВ1 and Isvind Dale ...base (city center, port llast, etc.). - the tracks on the North, South, East and West (sometimes North, North-West, South and East). In each track should go and find something don't know what. A bunch of stupid repetitive side missions (like the find 5 books, a couple in the South, one North, one East and one West)... something different from DE:))))))))WELL THE SAME:)))))That's why I wrote that except for some cosmetic changes, and graphs....WELL ALL THE SAME.
Second:Warlock-Necromancer... or I didn't understand you, or you are a heretic and a pervert classes!!! =) - I again apologize,for mixed ice and НВН1:)))There is first a magician,in my opinion,with a focus on the necromancer (Auswind Dale),and secondly....YES,something I must sealed with these necromancers,but...:)))))))))
Third:Drapery was НвН2! - as I write in previous post,I did not set myself the task to compare НВ1 and НВ2 (even though НВ2 I did not like),I compared it with the rest of igruhami,where race is limited elf,gnome,man...
P. S. I got TAO sexy enough
sorry, the original Negro Fornication Mage, and I am very pleased ;) " you're a scary person:))))))you better not touch:)))))Hahahahah...

I don't understand why you are so against
НвН1?
To podcherknet its shortcomings, apparent in comparison with the second part after these words:

compare Dragon Age: Origins vs. Neverwinter Nights 2? In this case, it is definitely Dragon Age is cooler and I laugh in the face of anyone who begins to prove to me that it is not.There is another aspect.....:))))))Now, if I was asked to compare Dragon Age: Origins vs. Neverwinter Nights.........(I told you that You will,at most, to laugh):)))))))IT WOULD be HERE, I DEFINITELY overshadowed by IT Neverwinter Nights

Honestly, I НвН1 remember with great warmth,
and ya know it, I even НвН2 did not sit down, which
at first I was terribly discouraged, but understanding, I
saw that the game is no less worthy than the first part!
About the warmth I will not say.. but the first part is the game that introduced me to the RPG genre (well, that is secured after Gothic 2).
But a couple of times beating.. shoveled all the Addons. No.. Poor.

the same system as in НвН1
No way. The world is built around the principle of Wizardry 8, only slightly constrained and the map is worldwide.
System НВН1 very simple and obvious to drag anything to it yet.

I am the first and the second part of the Nevers not intend to compare the fact
And I was going, in response to vysheperechislennyh paragraph.

thee touted DE
How else would words about DAE said.

argue with me not because of fundamental differences in beliefs,and just because I love...to criticize love
Well, if what you think is НВН2 shit, and I respect her more than the first is not a fundamental difference in belief that I don't even know.

NEVER IN ONE GAME pressed in recommended.
A character in НВН1 and НВН2 created on your computer different people?

wrote after you ran into НВ1 and ICE
The valley I did not touch.
And НВН1 just because you ran into НВН2.

And even then - mythic games and compare them I think no way

Then wondered what game was Titling and Askari!.. Games Persians appeared in the Ice Wind-e.. And after the invention of LETO began and in the first Nevers..
I agree with the opinion that the first never is a warm feeling.. there was a lot of stocks..
but Senses arise from the fact how much he gave!.. In this respect, the second never disappointed only by the fact that gave us much less than the first...
It's a good game, one of the best at the time ( the Mask of a traitor I think a true masterpiece, though its storyline and blatantly copied from the history of the Nameless), but its.. innovation plays a very strong elder brother..
...
Dao I loved it! I think it is very decent game!!

Fully agree with comrade Nagual Silverhart

NWN 2 is worse. The first part of the second nights were not even close in gameplay (though the graphics bezsporno better, but I do not grafodrocher). Passed the second night, once on the second not pulled, sometimes even using himself went, just to see what in the end will be. For me NWN 2 is just disappointment after NWN (1). You can not say about Dragon Age, to my surprise biotvari could make a very interesting and varied game, though, and don't say that in DAO you can see the ghostly NWN (1), all very similar, as Logan and Dester, Wailing Death and pestilence, Aribet and Kyle, search for allies and stuff. May seem silly, but for me it is.

First NVN made much. But to expect the same from the second part is meaningless - there is a limit, and the authors decided to consolidate all the ideas of the predecessor, and not to push more and more. I also have no desire to replay NVN 2, but not because it is bad - I don't agree that NVN 2 worse than the first. Just playing a little snug, but that year there were many worthy of attention RPG. The rating here is subjective, I can say, played in NVN rather late - because not impressed. The second took the best and restored, revived the Game.

I will say this: НвН1 I like a little more than НвН2,
but НвН2 I like it MUCH more than DAO...
(DAO has recently passed, was a little disappointing
too much history with the Lord of The Rings ripped off)

The gameplay is similar to DAO, BUT.
1. where in the Russian localization Russian voice... to read the subtitles not in a rush
2. absolutely stupid behavior of the members of the team: we press pause, distributed team, take a break. In the result part and Nitsche does not, the part asks should I attack?... well, no Pliny, to stand by and watch in vain chtol I told them whom to attack =) to force someone to do something meaningful in the way harder than in DAO
3. absolutely stupid combat system - hit-by-turn each other (and very slowly), and what chip? to calculate damage of weapons and spells much pleasure is not (enough in his time in stupid WOW)
4. Graphics not the best, in addition, the optimization leaves much to be desired... while DAO flies without issues
5. Who invented to control the camera with the middle mouse button, maybe I'm a fool, but how can I change to another button I have not found. The camera needs to rotate, right-click.

IMHO - to start playing, removed in a few hours =) DAO - respect.

If the graphics in Oblivion to add extreme НВН2 and season with originality DAO, that would be great!!
I do not have a weak PC. But Oblivion inhibits stronger than TAO. There is the schedule in detail, and here - today - under Shader 3 effects. But I like Oblivion more - compare my Persians:
here Oblivion


But TAO

Well, talk, and..

where in the Russian localization Russian voice... to read the subtitles not in a rush
To play with a Russian voice acting in НВН2 - crazy.

absolutely stupid behavior of the members of the team: we press pause, distributed team, take a break. In the result part and Nitsche does not, the part asks should I attack?
Well, if the hand curves, then of course Yes. In НВН2 battle is divided into rounds, in each round one action (attack - usually a few per round, spell - usually one). No failures were observed.

absolutely stupid combat system - hit-by-turn each other (and very slowly), and what chip?
And how should it be? This is not an action. In TAO's a stupid system with chaotic rialtaym. Hitting each other is not somehow in turn, depending on initiative and number of attacks per round.
Nothing better in the genre there.

As always, there Zederbaum and Ostap suffered.

Oh alright =) pelted with eggs, well, not like I NVN second, although the 1st was at one time.

And still the combat system is important for an RPG. It should be left to chance or step-by-step Ala fallout 1,2 or rialtaym a La DAO, where everything is logical - the horns will hit 10 times, while a soldier at the same time, only 1 time zafigachit durocem... ineteresno would be the picture if the horn with two daggers would be the same brake as a warrior ))

where everything is logical - the horns will hit 10 times, while a soldier at the same time, only 1 time zafigachit durocem...
Where it's written and how it is calculated?
In НВН2 the all clear. For example, soldier 6 to hit in a round will be able 2 times. 11th - 3 times. To 3 times could beat a thief, then he can fulfill my need to reach level 14. The idea is not that fast waving arms, but to effectively do this. And here - only the combat training in the form of a basic attack modifier.
Here everything is orderly. All in the numbers.

НВН2 shit and TAO of badass