neoandpha
Never was fond of overclocking . And I'm not chasing record performance. Now, for toys, I have an xbox. But, since the computer ordered to live long, I decided to upgrade it to the modern generation. So that you could work with the virtual machine and play new items that the hell knows when they will come out on the box.
The budget for the mother + food + horizontal tower, up to 40 thousand rubles.
I have already used Intel, there is a difference, comparing with AMD. But not so big as to switch to blue and overpay 10k. By the summer, maybe by the fall I will buy card 3070 or maybe I will be generous by 3080, and for about such a card, I would like to collect the basis now.
I'm not an amd fan, but I'll definitely compare the pros and cons 500 times before buying a new base. I also considered Intel, but the final price does not suit me. I am not included in the budget. Leaving money for savings is not an option. The wife will quickly let go of some kind of crap. So I have a week to upgrade my iron friend ^ _ ^
insel260
insel260 wrote:
Oh, intel fan, please calm down.
And what about fanaticism, cough cough? Is it fanaticism to work for the best or wish for the best? I told you that 10400 breaks your 3600 and brought proof. That's truncated. under the intel optimon, what did you want.
insel260 wrote:
For this I need PCI-E 4.0.
Already seen enough, he wanted to look. Profit 4.0 is zero. why? haha! oh, bear cub, you are funny. Go look, zero profit.
insel260 wrote:
And if I buy now what you advise me, I will have to buy mother and food again.
Above is a screenshot, Intel with 3600 DDR tears your rubber from 4.0. What was going to buy? just what 10900k! This is mosch! I want it myself and buy it.
insel260 wrote:
Let me lose these 10 fps, but at least I will not overpay for these 10 fps in the tridoroga.
What? Explanatory brigade. Buying 3600 rubber you already lose those 10 frames. do not sniff.
insel260 wrote:
Here's another, buy a duo, with the inscription 10600kf
Well duck buy from a proven sold. I have been taking it to the office for a long time, everything is good! Everything comes and it's time to check. The budgetary guys collect pitch there, and even get the prots for free. heh heh, I will not say how ...
insel260 wrote:
Yes, I already understood. In addition to Intel's propaganda, in principle, I did not see anything.
Rukalitso, you're funny :)))) I don't buy budget asus, and I don't advise you. they say, tomahawk or streaks. Truncated, nothing else and no. I wanted the best, he said, everything else is mediocre. I don't mind, take it.
insel260 wrote:
I have already used Intel, there is a difference, comparing it with amd. But not so big that I would have
forgotten to look under the hood of Amuda. there is a ykarany babay. Forgot to look latency and overclocking ozu, kada Intel has more than 3600+, with a finite profit.
These are fanaticism, an objective, balanced and competent view, with a recommendation to take what is better and cheaper here and now.
Hellhound_Anger
I'll tell you right away, I don't find fault with you personally, or with the Intel.
Let's put it on the shelves. My situation. I have 40 thousand rubles in my hands. An urgent need to purchase a working / gaming base for a PC. Mother + prod. I would like to squeeze the maximum out of the budget option (money limit of 40 thousand, don't forget). The assembly must meet all modern standards and be forward-looking (buying a powerful latest generation graphics card. RTX 30XX series).
What we have in the end. I looked at both AMD and Intel platforms.
Intel Core i5-10600KF processor + ASUS ROG STRIX Z490-G GAMING motherboard = 41 598 rubles.
AMD Ryzen 5 3600 processor + ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS motherboard = 30 830 rubles.
Further, I reviewed tests on overlock and other similar sites. AMD Ryzen 5 3600 vs Intel Core i5-10600KF comparisons. Total:
blue amd
As you can see from benches, intel and amd are almost the same. The only difference is:
1. Price. 10 thousand difference when assembling mother + processor.
2. Heat dissipation. AMD is colder.
3. Specification. PCI-e 4.0 for amd versus Intel 3.0 (in the future, speed will be important, now I won't see the advantages of 4.0 on the 970 card).
4. Intel does not have much higher productivity.
5. Intel works worse with memory.
6. AMD works better with virtualization (this is VERY IMPORTANT for me to work).
Conclusion. Suppose I lose this 15-20% performance at maximum load in the bench if I buy AMD, not Intel. But on the other hand, I save on hardware, cooling, get more memory bandwidth, and also make it easier to work with the virtual machine.
Before buying, I will still go through the comparisons of Intel and AMD, but still I tend to buy AMD.
insel260
insel260 wrote:
Processor Intel Core i5-10600KF + Motherboard ASUS ROG STRIX Z490-G GAMING
Heh heh, it means that for amuda he takes a fee for 185 bucks, and for Intel for 285 bucks! There's a Z490 A PRO for $ 170! And I said 10600KF with Ali. 10400F with a bargain set for 170 bucks! And even profitable kits were blown away! Then 10400F + Z490 A PRO - 362 bucks! Your rubber is 416 bucks!
insel260 wrote:
As you can see from benches (including games), intel and amd are almost the same.
Open the vidosiki! They are not the same, and they cannot be, due to the peculiarities of rubber! And this synthetics does not mean anything!
Spoiler
insel260 wrote:
Heat dissipation. AMD is colder.
Yeah, then, almost every review begins with complaints about the temperatures on the desktop. Either my 10700 is more productive and colder than the 3700X rubber. Oh, forget that:
Ryzen 7 5800X, Ryzen 9 5900X, and Ryzen 9 5950X, running under full load, heat up to 90 ° C, the Ryzen 5 5600X heats up even more, reaching 95 ° C. “These chips perform exactly as intended and deliver the performance you expect,†an AMD spokesman said.
insel260 wrote:
Specification. PCI-e 4.0 for amd versus Intel 3.0 (in the future, speed will be important, now I won't see the advantages of 4.0 on the 970 card).
What kind of a picture with a RUKALITSO to fill in to reflect all the nonsense and pathos that is poured out here! IS A VIDEO POSSIBLE ??? A PROFIT IS POSSIBLE? Can you at least see the profit from 3.0 first? Well against 2.0?
And, STE I already threw off screenshots for you! You merged then without showing any profit. He's already googling it now.
insel260 wrote:
Intel is worse at working with memory.
CHECHOCHYOCHECHOCHCHOCHECHOCHCHOCH ???????? !!!!!! STE what is it? STE how? I tell him here that intel breaks from memory, and accelerates easier and latency is lower. And he gives me this !!!!
insel260 wrote:
this is VERY IMPORTANT for me to work
Hellhound_Anger wrote:
10400F is the best gaming pro in the budget! Well, if you need a work and office station, then yes, as you like!
You are finally some kind of drunk.
insel260 wrote:
But on the other hand, I save on hardware, cooling, I get a lot of memory
bandwidth insel260 wrote:
Thanks to you, I have no more doubts about choosing amd.
you read in the wrong direction, heh heh! In general, I almost did not get anywhere.
insel260
insel260 wrote:
Urgently need to purchase a working / gaming base for a PC. Mother + prod ...
(money limit of 40 thousand, do not forget)
And the "ancient and dying" pc on ddr4 was or will you try to "cram the unstoppable"?
insel260
STE not the best Intel result, I've seen better results, I have 36 or 38, I don't remember.
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And about 3.0 vs 4.0 I have already shown those:
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And without all these pci, Intel is lying to your amudu in the dust.
For a work and office station, take your amuda, in games he merges, and those, judging by work priorities, need amuda. I would say so! I have enough work and intel, I have worn out with amuda and at work the same, he is brainy. Intel is kinder to me, even if it’s work, I’ll interrupt, but it’s easier with him than with anyone else. Truncated finally, OOOOOOOO!
Len4ik00N
He had a worker 1600 and B350M https://forums.playground.ru/hardware/nachal_umirat_pk_otvalilsya_slot_ozu_odin_iz_chetyreh-998772/#comment-18992686
Guys, all happy!
The cooler is dead, I was going to buy a new one, but I don’t understand something with the connection ...
I now have all the coolers connected like this via molex https://yadi.sk/i/LdFgYM5MAaxXIA, I want to buy this one (it turned out that 200 for some reason not enough) https://www.dns-shop.ru/product/da7f...rocool-duo-20/
but I don’t understand where to insert it, I need a molex adapter 1 more directly from the power supply or what?
Pirate of the 21st century
I strongly advise against using this kind of construction. Resistances are growing, and as a result, Pshik can make either a fan motor or a power supply unit. It's like using a bunch of tees at home, and then they melt and burn out. For this, there are deshman reobases with Ali and ordinary 3-4pin rotators. With a molex connection, you can connect well one rotator, and if so, in series and a lot, then ...
The pirate of the 21st century
has everything there, the instructions for the valve are attached. If I understood correctly, then STE Fan Aerocool Duo 20. It still has a backlight, ignore them, as you can see on the screen.
Spoiler The first two lights, under (!!!) STE power supply to the motherboard. If everything is bad at all, then just sort it out, and observing the polarity, plug it into the molex, along the 12 Volt line. everything is in the internet.
through molex bad, very bad. cough cough, I suppose you are interested in:
This is the BEST connection option. Open the instructions for the cooler or tell the board, throw a photo. judging everything is loaded, if it is still not clear. Look on the board (you can't stick it in, don't hammer it with a hammer):
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Ryazancev
<Resistances are growing, and as a result, Pshik can make either a fan motor or a power supply unit> - Um, WH ???
Amperage valves never seen? And not a single tee, a five-piece, a ten-piece did not burn out, because not a single significant device was put in there.
0.15 Ampere valve. 1.8 watts. It's a trifle to worry about the valves. But that he always turns them at maximum speed, STE is stupid.
Hellhound_Anger
mother here is such a Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD5
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CPU and SYS FAN are already occupied by the valve from the processor and 2 by the valve from the processor, respectively. How should everything be organized then?
Pirate of the 21st century
twist wires, buy panels, splitters, connect in parallel, order from Ali, buy molex or find other valves in the box, etc. truncated for your little soul, if only he did! https://www.dns-shop.ru/product/0555d6541abc3332/razvetvitel-pitania-ventilatorov-deepcool-fh-04/ al hand craftsmen: https://2shemi.ru/raspinovka-kulera-podklyuchenie-3-pin- i-4-pin-ventilyatora /
soldering is the best way to connect. can be connected in parallel to the corpus. From 2:30, without breaking the wire, you wind it up. you will have control of two valves!
Spoiler
I put some Chinese junk for myself, I'm not proud, I think to throw it away, find a better thread: https://aliexpress.ru/item/4001075233106.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.615d6cf5v52NyW&algo_pvid=d1d20198-bb50-4 9ca3-012ab89f09fe & algo_expid = d1d20198-bb50-4459-9ca3-012ab89f09fe-49 & btsid = 0b8b035616096789151673887e5f6d & ws_ab_test = searchweb0_0 , searchweb201602_, searchweb201603_
Current razderbanennye of wire you will be deprived of guarantees, so sho, collect dad for valve will keep al from another place, and it's derbanit:
Here are some more: 
YOKARANY! They are also pulled out of the box, wiring. and no damage!
Spoiler
Good day, tell me with the system update. The current i3 4160 1050ti 8gb, first I want to change the CPU with all that it implies. Here is roughly thrown:
_Whispers In The Dark
This can really be bought ready-made in M-Video or Eldorado. It's a very bad idea for you to do the assembly yourself (judging from the result). Find an understanding person in your area, let him take some time and explain in detail what you didn’t do very well.
I’m afraid if you do it yourself, you’ll break the wood, and later you’ll want to bite your elbow.
Ryazancev
There is an assembly experience, it's just that it has lagged behind for a long time
_Whispers In The Dark
Over the past few years, a lot has changed, but these are nuances. The assembly looks, I repeat, like a Game Computer from Eldorado.
The skills of the collector himself are not in the business.
It looks very strange - a combination of motherboard, cooler and selected CPU + incomprehensible memory. This is ...
Hellhound_Anger
Hellhound_Anger wrote:
I put some Chinese junk for myself, I'm not proud, I think to throw it away, find a better thread:
Why do you need some junk for valves, when your mother has 10 connectors for fans for 36k of our wooden pieces?
When you hang people on the ears about your non-existent gland, at least check how many adjustable valves you can connect to your mother for 36 kilos
Denis Kyokushin
khe khe, you haven't seen my body yet !!! And the panels are the same! There are valves, I lost 20 pieces! There HDD cooling, current 3 pieces on CPU cooling side, back wall, front! And I'm an experimenter. And when the last you decide to call me a "liar" REMEMBER what to write under my royal comments, ala to write three letters at the end of the book of the greatest masterpiece! In short, I do not care what are you doing there! And to control the valves in addition to the motherboard by pressing a button, it is much more convenient to turn the toggle switch on my pitch monster than to climb into the settings, and you still don’t know how convenient it is to change the valves. and the wires in the cable channel are hidden away. rather than hanging over the board. oh bangs, such bangs, hehe.
Hellhound_Anger
20 valves in the case? Kick-ass, airplane. Can you take a picture?
Hellhound_Anger wrote:
There HDD cooler, current 3 pieces on CPU cooler side, back wall, front!
I have two on the process, one on the back panel and the side, - all this is controlled by my mother. I screwed the side myself, having drilled a bunch of small holes for it. The system manager is 12 years old
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Hellound_Anger wrote:
And control the valves in addition to the motherboard by pressing a button , al twisting the toggle switch on my pitch monster is much more convenient than going into the settings, and you still don’t know how convenient it is to change the valves.
With such a budget as yours, it is not necessary to manage the valves with all sorts of pribluds, it is enough to buy quiet and efficient valves) in smaller quantities. They have been on sale for a long time. From your words, it is not difficult to guess that this is a penny for you. But for what - a collective farm is needed, so the lending is fresh, but it's hard to believe
Ryazancev
About this there was a question, what hardware needs to be replaced in the assembly.
