Mages, Templars or neutral? (Dragon Age 2)

RAGE_GTX
Explain your post about the fact that the Church in the game is evil? She blessed the temple to fight the demons,enemies of the state,dangerous mages,who have caused harm to others.The whole game, the Church was proderzhalas neutrality,protecting the interests of only the residents of Cercola.It's your evil? O_o

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The Church is evil because it is: 1 2 totalitarian because it is a tool orleya
1, It podset any other belief or unbelief at all while trying to rasprostranit their faith.
2 the high priestess is assigned the most important of orleya, those affect other countries (that is, the interests orleya in the first place)
She blessed the temple to fight the demons,enemies of the state,dangerous mages,who have caused harm to others.The whole game, the Church was proderzhalas neutrality,protecting the interests of only the residents of Cercola.It's your evil? O_o - that's at evil enough that she sideset the interests of the residents(although it should be the opposite, the Church must bring people closer to the Creator and the people to protect her)is guided by its(orleya) interests.
Roughly speaking if they are good then let them do the religion and not worldly Affairs(tipo I treat the soul not the body)))

Orley not touch.Consider a particular Church in Kirkwall and Altino.
1.Would be a totalitarian-then at the beginning of the 3rd Chapter Altina would order the Templars to send to jail the first enchanter for rebellion and supported the idea of the temple according to the mass extermination of mages.
2.If the Church suppressed other belief,then it would Altina declared a Holy war against the qunari-making them the main enemy in the eyes of others.But Altina said the opposite,that everyone chooses their path and their faith.
3.Kirkwall to Church and practicing religion.The fact that the herd has a black sheep tipo sisters Petris,which are strongly trying to use other doesn't mean it is the position of the clergy.
For me personally, the Church of Cercola is shaky ballast,which odergivala psychopaths from the usurpation of power and destruction of tive species.And the evil is a creature of Meredith and the First Enchanter,despite the fact that they fought shoulder to shoulder against the barbarians qunari!

Canon I - Bravo! : ) well said.

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But where is the evidence ?
then at the beginning of the 3rd Chapter Altina would order the Templars to send to jail the first enchanter for rebellion and supported the idea of the temple according to the mass extermination of mages
Maybe she was afraid of corny magicians, like everyone else ? =) And didn't want to provoke them. It is certainly up to the main Church office in Kirkwall was promoted : the government, some no, but there are money worshipers and so on and then to lose it all due to the fact that he supported the Templars, and the mages took it and won ? Who will take the risk ?

If the Church suppressed other belief,then it would Altina declared a Holy war against the qunari-making them the main enemy in the eyes of others.
Attack Kunar, even the Governor was afraid and said that they did not win. (And would have won if not for our GG. ^_^)

Kirkwall to Church and practicing religion.The fact that the herd has a black sheep tipo sisters Petris,which are strongly trying to use other doesn't mean it is the position of the clergy.
Others can successfully disguise themselves, ne ?

For me personally, the Church of Cercola is shaky ballast,which odergivala psychopaths from the usurpation of power and destruction of tive species.
What it from all attempts to settle the conflict protested. The only intervention — rejected the project for the global suppression of mages. And this plan came up with a single person, yet the fact that the rest of the Templars it would support. They vedb also mages are afraid, remember the DA:O events in the tower — has not got even to look for survivors (even Gpusti not wanted) from a request for the destruction of everything sent. Scary they were obsessed to climb.

1, It podset any other belief or unbelief at all while trying to rasprostranit their faith.
Well so they firmly believe that if they manage to reject false gods and to spread the Song of Light, the Creator will return to the people.

2 the high priestess is assigned the most important of orleya, those affect other countries (that is, the interests orleya in the first place)
How, then, is the same Altina influenced Kirkwall in the interests orleya? The code is written that people loved her.

Maybe she was afraid of corny magicians, like everyone else ? =) And didn't want to provoke them.
Hardly afraid, in any case, she has the right of destruction.

Others can successfully disguise themselves, ne ?
Polls? :)

What it from all attempts to settle the conflict protested. The only intervention — rejected the project for the global suppression of mages.
Even asked to dissuade the messenger of the Supreme ruler of the need to begin the Crusade.
Too bad that Altina mostly idle in this situation, but it's still not a reason to blow up the Church.

1 then at the beginning of the 3rd Chapter Altina would order the Templars to send to jail the first enchanter for rebellion and supported the idea of the temple according to the mass extermination of mages

So you utverzhdali position was good and Ellina could just choose the Templars, not afraid to provoke the mages?
The fact that the Church is totalitarian again not refuted by the actions of Atline ( and by the way the temple is also the Church)

2if the Church suppressed other belief,then it would Altina declared a Holy war against the qunari-making them the main enemy in the eyes of others.But Altina said the opposite,that everyone chooses their path and their faith.

If she did she would break Laurinska agreement and began to war with all of Kunar. The Church need it?
But they killed Simus for what he sahota to take kun.

3Церковь to Kirkwall and practicing religion.The fact that the herd has a black sheep tipo sisters Petris,which are strongly trying to use other doesn't mean it is the position of the clergy.
For me personally, the Church of Cercola is shaky ballast,which odergivala psychopaths from the usurpation of power and destruction of tive species.And the evil is a creature of Meredith and the First Enchanter,despite the fact that they fought shoulder to shoulder against the barbarians qunari!

For me personally the Church is the ballast which holds the power of usurpers psychopaths like Meredith

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Verka Smerduchka
How, then, is the same Altina influenced Kirkwall in the interests orleya? The code is written that people loved her.

Where in the game you saw that used orleya interests intersect with kirchwalsede, despite the fact that Ellina could influence the course of these events?

And the evil is a creature of Meredith and the First Enchanter,
I agree about Meredith and Orsino about no.
Why Orsino evil? He wanted the magicians was treated normally, but at the same time, not by war and bloodshed. Orsino even told Meredith that would mages locked in order that would avoid bloodshed.
And blood magic Orsino used out of desperation.

And the evil is a creature of Meredith and the First Enchanter,
You really didn't like the butcher demon? :) And in General nonsense. What you Orsino is not pleased?

RAGE_GTX
Yeah I don't understand why you're so keen on Orley. The Church runs the temple and no more influence other than religion of course, has not.

Verka Smerduchka
Hardly afraid, in any case, she has the right of destruction.
Yeah, right destruction with unknown consequences.
After learning that some of the Circles were destroyed, the rest of the Circles for sure-could also rebel. Why gamble ?

Polls? :)
Why not ?
There is a sect with brainwashing priestesses and addicted Templars guard.
Besides, who is there except the leadership of the churches, knows what and how global the Church plans ? All-all and do not need to pretend : they just don't know that all may not as they are told. =)

Even asked to dissuade the messenger of the Supreme ruler of the need to begin the Crusade.
What I do not remember this. =(

Too bad that Altina mostly idle in this situation, but it's still not a reason to blow up the Church.
The Templars of the Church, so the struggle Templars vs Mages = the struggle of Church vs Mages. =)
So even a reason.

C Altinay are enough inconsistencies in the story that would say that she is like this all of a just Holy and nevinnoubiennyh.
A ring which is : if this is such an important thing that presented it, is automatically considered to be transmitting the orders from the high priestess and can do anything on behalf of the Church, what she is watching, what to do ?
Do you seriously believe that she so easily gives this thing the right and left of all the Sisters (and this is, like, not so high ecclesiastical rank) and not even watching how to use it ? Yes, clearly she was aware of the fact that the sister Petris is doing, if she herself had told to do.

Solarpower
Yes, what consequences? The right of Destruction was used 17 times, without consequences. Just Altina didn't want to bring the matter to extremes.

The Church is not only a management tool by the temple, it is also a religious organization. And Altina not very similar to the far-sighted policy with loads of conspiracies in his head. Anders was not supposed to blow up the Church, and if it really wanted to blow something up, why not the office Meredith?!

About the ring. Of course Eltina it does not give anyone Petris probably managed to borrow it.

if simplistically and generally, the Church=Morals and Rules. Templar=Order and Punishment. Mages=Power and Chaos. why many players like mages? because more than 80% of the players are teenagers. parents who already wear out with the Morals, Rules and Order. stupid contradiction - you want a bit of chaos, anarchy, permissiveness, well, at least in a computer game. hence the logical conclusion - mages good, the Church is bad.

Maybe she [Altina] were afraid of corny magicians, like everyone else ? And didn't want to provoke them. It is certainly up to the main Church office in Kirkwall was promoted : the government, some no, but there are money worshipers and so on and then to lose it all due to the fact that he supported the Templars, and the mages took it and won ? Who will take the risk ? - Oh, it's just a World Stupidity Award! ; ) The Church - the main ideologist of the limitations of the magicians, the Creator of the ideas of the Circle and the order of the Templars, actually. to rely on an Alliance with the mages, there's more to some thanks on their part - naïve. even if we assume such incredible stupidity that Altina would support mages, she would have lost everything and nothing would get in return. except, of course, that it would be turned against former allies. just in the game Altina on the example proved that the wizards are rare creatures - they can sympathize, they should not try to understand. because blagodarnast for this one - a few pounds of explosives in your basement.

Verka Smerduchka
Yes, what consequences? The right of Destruction was used 17 times, without consequences.
That's how you know that straight after without consequences ?
Besides, there's not a fight against time possessed of all the mages from the circle, and against mages who are trying to fight against vkrh ohamevshego Templar. A completely different situation.

The Church is not only a management tool by the temple, it is also a religious organization.
Not only that, but it is. And the whole religion is : Confucius said... ugh, "Andraste said : Magic must serve the people !" and, based on these words of the Magi were herded into Circles and put into custody. Religion in DA is directly linked with the mages.
So all right Anders did.

And Altina not very similar to the far-sighted policy with loads of conspiracies in his head.
That you for what is the 4-d lines in 3 the dialogues for the whole game with it, okay ?
Apparently you're a genius psychiatrist, not otherwise.
Too little the player is given about Altino information and communication with it, as such, no no that would decide who she looks more like, not someone — no.

if it really wanted to blow something up, why not the office Meredith?
And who is Meredith ? The local captain of the guard over the mages ? She decides then ? On a global scale — nothing. And Anders wants to free all mages, not just the local Kirkwalsh.

About the ring. Of course Eltina it does not give anyone Petris probably managed to borrow it.
This important thing Altina should be worn and never taken off even for a second. And to follow her more than anything.
Petris borrowed the ring and nobody knows anything ? Yeah, like.

pashalet
Oh, it's just a World Stupidity Award! ; )
What self-criticism...

to rely on an Alliance with the mages, there's more to some thanks on their part - naïve.
And where, in the above example, you spotted the support of the mages from the Church. About it there — not a word. On the contrary, there are about what Altina didn't want to piss them off even more.

just in the game Altina on the example proved that the wizards are rare creatures - they cannot sympathize with
Altina on your example proves only that you can not sit idly by and wait until everything will be resolved. Since the Church controls the Templars, then you need to manage, not to sit in the corner and watch as they bite with the mages.
And mages have proven that they are smart guys : not started targeting simple warriors (Templar), and immediately blew up the command post. =)

And mages have proven that they are smart guys : not started targeting simple warriors (Templar), and immediately blew up the command post. - not so stupid, and frankly stupid thing to do. if there was hope for a peaceful outcome of the case, then after the ridiculous attack - outraged by the sacrilege and killing the inhabitants of Kirkwall, began to demand the blood of the Magi (a direct quote from the game). the massacre became inevitable. for example, I'm happy to cut mages at the root. no exceptions. starting, of course, the moron Anders. So even if Anders is the evil minion Meredith - he wouldn't be able to substitute more of their favorite cronies mages. ; )

there are about what Altina didn't want mages to anger even more - didn't want them sorry? anger? buhaha, 2 times. the relationship of the mages and clerics in the world of Dragon Age are built on a very simple principle. The Church says - mages listen. who does not listen - go to pacified. got to rebel with the use of MG - get under the Cleansing. (an excellent treatment, by the way. often it is necessary to apply. and the fact that mages Purification I'm afraid to stupor (see the dialogues in DAO and DA2), proves that the result of this operation - unchanged epic win from the Templars). Altina simple-minded idealist, for which he paid, alas.

P. S. and finally. when 1 time was DAO - even a little sympathetic to mages. painfully handily they beat on pity: Oh, we poor, Oh Round we deprived of life, Oh we're languishing in prison! but actually look around the continent freely, back and forth. Winn went to walk with the hero, immediately after becoming infected her Circle - where the inquisitors have not even checked anything. Anders ran 6 times and only 7 (after the suspicious death of the attendants of the temple), it tried serious sanctions to apply. [I, by the way, Amarantine passed by the Inquisition to death. have importul saves in DA2 - BA, and he is very much alive!] another poor MAG - the Hanged man sitting, girls lingers, but the beer lapping - like, escaped and can not find it, lol. Orsino with his gang, looks like the Circle is not sitting, hanging around freely in the city. anyway the streets are full of novices Lap in robes and stupid hats. and listen to the mages - as they all clock out of the hole climbs.

conclusion: the Templars not all magicians oppressed. who is behaving normally established leads human being- he lives quite comfortably. by the way, the tower of the Circle perfectly and richly equipped, equipped with all necessary (see, for example, the pre-history for a mage in DAO), mages go there well-fed, satisfied. well, not like ... this place is in prison. that mode forced to comply with, and punished for mischief with MK. and so: well, purely vip summer camp. ;)

pashalet
I beg to disagree. Paradiski a circle actually exists in the best conditions and have an adequate person as a knight-commander. Circoloco circle is located in the largest monastery of the Templars in the whole of the Manumission brand and has as knight-commander Meredith... hmm.

mages Purification I'm afraid to stupor (see the dialogues in DAO and DA2), proves that the result of this operation - unchanged epic win from the Templars).
Do you think that the uprising of all circles, regardless of the result of Purification, it's "epic win from the Templars"?

Winn went to walk with the hero, immediately after becoming infected her Circle - where the inquisitors have not even checked anything. Anders ran 6 times and only 7 (after the suspicious death of the attendants of the temple), it tried serious sanctions to apply. [I, by the way, Amarantine passed by the Inquisition to death. have importul saves in DA2 - BA, and he is very much alive!] another poor MAG - the Hanged man sitting, girls lingers, but the beer lapping - like, escaped and can not find it, lol. Orsino and his gang seem to do in the Round is not sitting, hanging around freely in the city. anyway the streets are full of novices Lap in robes and stupid hats. and listen to the mages - as they all clock out of the hole climbs.
Winn, the eldest is the sorceress, who for many years served as a circle and apostate ideas are not put forward. Anders can and ran six times and didn't kill him, but this is largely dependent on the mood of the Templars caught him. Remember the 14-year-old student winn, who ran away once, and for this he wanted to kill (so like it was?). MAG with nedo***Hom and therefore escaped that round of the girls feel, but the beer swilling nobody gives, and all life to exist is not desirable. And, by the way, if hawk had not intervened, it could tame. Just in case (and suddenly it blood magic is studied?). Anyway – personally I'm in town never met in the city of magicians-not apostates. Even Orsino was not released.

Tower Circle is well-equipped and lavishly supplied with everything you need (for example, see prehistory as a mage in DAO), mages go there well-fed, satisfied. well, not like ... this place is in prison. that mode forced to comply with, and punished for mischief with MK. and so: well, purely vip summer camp. ;)
Would you like to spend a lifetime in the camp, even vip? Besides, we're talking about Kirkwall, but if your new home is called the Casemates, this zhzhzh ulterior motive.

Anders actually stepped, but cut because of him all round idiocy. Anyway, I normal conditions for the mages.

Sir Lancelap uprising of all circles, regardless of the result of Purification, it's "epic win from the Templars"? - nope. I just think that the previous purification of the temple clearly worked. it was a response to one of the statements above.

personally I'm in town never met in the city of magicians-not apostates. Even Orsino was not released. - strange, so I am lucky. and Orsino in the cut-scenes on the square and Meredith are shit and the people incited. although it seems to be all so oppressed in the Tower under the castle to sit, no?

Winn, the eldest is the sorceress, which was a circle and apostate ideas were put forward - I was saying: who is himself well established, leading humanly - he lives quite comfortably.

Paradiski round in the best conditions and have an adequate person as a commander. Circoloco has as knight-commander Meredith... hmm - here as a glass that is half full or half empty. we can assume that the mages of Circolo hit in MK because they too oppress templary... and then I Templari excessively tightening the screws because the mages in Kirkwall is too uncontrolled and the amount possessed exceeds the limit.

Would you like to spend a lifetime in the camp, even vip? - I already wrote above that in my opinion, mage DAO can be compared with the bearer of a terrible deadly virus that potentially threatens all others. if I was born with this virus (TFU, TFU,TFU!), knowing that if I'm not careful, then Great Evil will break through me in the world... then Yes, I would be happy to accept such a summer camp, especially vip. as in less civilized societies, from such a potentially dangerous citizen all at once would get rid.

pashalet
What kind of hope ?
At that time already there was no hope.

Besides, Meredith so actually she obsessed misunderstood what the figure would be she who listened. And if this was known earlier, maybe she would have been safely removed. In the game she doesn't want to put Orsino in the Church to Alcine : do not undermine Anders Church, well, he'd kill Meredith, Orsino, on the road that will not be reached — the result is the same.

And then, Altina and this face brick did, with all the requests to intervene in the showdown. How can you be sure that right now she would have intervened and all razrulil ? Again would freeze and fighting Templar with the mages, her blessing, as well as fight without it.

The Church says - mages listen. who does not listen - go to pacified. got to rebel with the use of MG - get under the Cleansing.
Yeah, and Tevinter at hand, where the Magi successfully do what they want and the Church is run. Do not tell, if all together, and not alone, will start to rebel — let's go all the Templars away for a long time.
And then, children of mages from the Templars to hide, some try. If you take the time and destroy all the mages in the Circles, then there is ordinary people will start to rebel : mages in simple families are born, not exclusively in families of mages (which, incidentally, is prohibited, ahem, breed ^_^[another meaningless ban]).

That's how you know that straight after without consequences ?
Besides, there's not a fight against time possessed of all the mages from the circle, and against mages who are trying to fight against vkrh ohamevshego Templar. A completely different situation.

Because about the consequences in the code word.
Anyway, do you remember what started the conversation about the Right of Destruction? I said that these are extreme measures, and you have to attribute it to the situation with the mages.

No, he did wrong Anders... the Circle is necessary, otherwise the mages will be out of control. In the Circle, of course, you need to make the conditions of life softer, Yes Templar affliction, but without a Circle is where it all began: masters, slavery, and Tevinter one word.


That you for what is the 4-d lines in 3 the dialogues for the whole game with it, okay ?
Apparently you're a genius psychiatrist, not otherwise.
Too little the player is given about Altino information and communication with it, as such, no no that would decide who she looks more like, not someone — no.

Ugh.. I guess no need to say that Altina itself gives everyone the ring and orders the plotting against qunari, etc.

Verka Smerduchka
No, he did wrong Anders... the Circle is necessary, otherwise the mages will be out of control. In the Circle, of course, you need to make the conditions of life softer, Yes Templar affliction, but without a Circle is where it all began: masters, slavery, and Tevinter one word.
Why just slavery out contemporaries Tevinter - Aware, Alamari, Kasindi and even Arlatan had mages but about slavery they never said, even mages ruled there or had some power over the others.