Is piracy a crime or an innocent prank?

dilat
dilat wrote:
Man hours spent , but no exhaust. You will create a product, and no one will pay for it.
Do you think the majority do not give a damn about it? Imagine at least there is no concern for this!
If a medical graduate becomes an infectious disease specialist, then he knows that he has a high chance of catching an infection from his patients and an increased chance of fumigation from this infection. Well, or, as it were, a person who has completed special courses at the fire department knows in advance that having become a firefighter-rescuer, he has many times greater risks of burning alive or being crushed during a collapse of a building.
This I mean that NOBODY forced some person, trained to be a programmer or animator, to go to work in the area where there are high risks of non-repayment of his "product". Exactly as a publisher funding an unreliable project, it has a high chance of losing balance. This is their choice, their own business. You take a closer look and see that everything in the world has long been going according to the principle "the Sheriff's Indians do not care about the problem."
Personally, when I was choosing a university, faculty and future specialty, I carefully weighed everything and chose from the most demanded and highly paid ones, while with minimal risks of being unemployed or a decrease in earnings. And I, like most video game lovers, absolutely do not care about some studio going bankrupt, some series of games will cease to be published and how much the number of single player projects will be reduced. Games have been released and will continue to be released, because demand creates supply. It will always be possible to choose from the available ones.
If in your comment there was a hint of conscientiousness and conscience, then imagine again to the majority of video game lovers these "characteristics" to a light bulb. The laws are not violated, the conscience is clear. We don't feel like parasites either;) if Petya, Berger, Vyn Sun or Vaterpezhekosma want to pay for the aforementioned man-hours, then let them pay. We don't care about this.

Piracy is a blessing wrote:
This I mean that NOBODY forced some person trained as a programmer or animator to go to work in the area where there are high risks of non-repayment of his "product".
I will probably surprise you, but not everyone goes where there is a 100% guarantee of high earnings. Humans are not robots. Everyone realizes himself as he wants and tries to get into the sphere of the area in which his soul lies and there are certain skills
Piracy has written:
We have nothing to do with this.
Who is "us"? A sect or what? Or do you mean many of your accounts?

Now, if "you" (you, one-to-one like) were the majority, there would only be online games, because no one would make singles due to lack of profit

Why piracy is a blessing, I never heard

dilat
dilat wrote:
I will probably surprise you, but not everyone goes where there is a 100% guarantee of high earnings.
I'm not surprised. What to choose and how to act is a personal matter for everyone.
dilat wrote:
Who is "us"? A sect or what? Or do you mean many of your accounts?
Not a little screwed up for an hour? :) Something tugovat the meaning comes to you. "US" meant those who prefer to download and not pay. The number of such players is impressive, and not limited to the CIS countries. A huge number of Spaniards, Mexicans, Brazilians, Italians, Turks ... Chinese: D - where can we go without them. Look at this thread
Spoilerhttps: //forums.playground.ru/cyberpunk_2077/budet_li_piratka-995606/
scroll to the bottom. There you will see my comment with two screenshots, the numbers on which speak for themselves. Conclusion, as if I had already written there. But if you like the word "sectarian", for God's sake, consider it sectarian: D
dilat wrote:
Now, if "you" (you, one-to-one like) were the majority, there would only be online games, because singles would be nobody Wouldn't Do
Due to Lack of Profit If you compare the number of single-player games and online collaborative games on PC, released in periods of 5 years, starting from 2000 to 2020, you can easily notice the trend of going online. Consider the great merit of our majority;) - but we don't care.
dilat wrote:
Why piracy is a blessing, I never heard
I could take the nickname Break Socks, Balmuzdak, Polymethylmethacrylate Rhipsalidopsis or b9856745756, but that would be too stubborn or boring. But with such a nickname on the forums of gaming sites is always fun: D. I noticed for a long time that people who prefer to download are practically indifferent to faces. But for some reason, liars, fanatically conscious citizens and other moralists negatively perceive pirates. So why not bring in a bit of negativity for contrast? After all, video games are an exceptional positive, even in a buggy state. More precisely, especially in the buggy.

Piracy is a blessing wrote:
Hour not addicted? :) Something tugovat the meaning comes to you. "US" meant those who prefer to download and not pay.
I understood that. But, usually, not entirely healthy people write this way, associating themselves with someone, and not with their own personality, trying to be a part of something, as it were, relinquishing responsibility. Actually, either you have nothing to do (boring) and troll in this way, indirectly confirming this by the end of your post. In this case, I consider further communication to be meaningless.

A.Soldier of Light
Ahahahah, this is sur.
Legally purchased pirated discs.
Yes, you do not understand my message that publishers do not need disks without concurrent user protection.

dilat
About the fact that no one will do singles, you have been yelling for 17 years, or even twenty. Why is it good? Yes, by the fact that it does not allow publishers and sellers to shit at the end, as already mentioned, the yubiks can block you if they do not like your behavior, and what will you do if they start blocking your account, as they are now blocking social networks? With the formulation from you pigs can you expect everything? And because giving 10% of the salary for the next assassin is the height of idiocy, and soon it will cost all five of them, you encourage their greed. It's just awesome that your account is actually air, you can't help but feel it, put it on the shelf, and if someone will return the babos to you for your purchases? What are you going to broadcast that this cannot be? And for online, thank you, what did you turn the final into, buy a house, buy a farm, buy clothes, what are the pirates to blame?

Well, yes, yes, of course .... when you steal, there are a lot of excuses for this, and you can even pull a moral justification! But if they steal from you ... on the fire this soulless creature! I, perhaps, hardly condemn those who quietly pulled off a toy or a student who is not able to save up for the software he needs (for study / development), but those who are proud of the fact that they steal and openly write about it ... I am disgusted ..

Warrior of Morgoth
If you read my post carefully, then I said there that if there were such pirates (trolls, xs), like the comrade above, there would be a majority for a long time, then only then would they only think about online games, i.e. .to. making a single that will be spiralized by the vast majority is unprofitable

The game is the same product as any other. It's up to you to buy or not / spiral. I buy only those games that are very good for me. It doesn't really matter how much the game costs, because personally, for example, I will buy two or three games for the whole year (in different ways, of course). Whether the publisher is fucked up or not, I don't really care. To justify this by low earnings is whining, as for me. It is in your hands to spin, look for options, learn, etc. I’m not rich, I don’t even get fifty dollars, but I can buy games, especially on the basis of the aforementioned criteria.

For a long time, they did not touch me anywhere - neither in Steam, nor Origin, nor in Yuplei, not in social networks. networks (one whole). What do you need to do there, so that you start to "block". In social network, I still understand how you can be blocked. But what about clients? Well, in Steam, you can probably blurt out something in the discussions. But this is no longer just like that, it turns out. I use them for their intended purpose - these are stores. All. Occasionally I can read the guides in Steam. The rest of the time - these are launcher stores.

I don't think why it is worth explaining why the license is better, people are well-trained - you understand yourself. But, on the other hand, I also rock pirates. Obviously more than buying games. Where is the good here, and where is it in general, I do not see and do not understand

As for the Assassin - in 1919 he started playing pirate (Odyssey). Passed 1/3, wanted to buy a license, tk. the game has entered. There are much more buns than in pirate, plus at that time, the license had more patches than pirate + DLC. When Valhalla was announced, I immediately knew that I would take it, because the games are similar.

Warrior of Morgoth wrote:
And for online, thank you, what did you turn the final into, buy a house, buy a farm, buy clothes, what are the pirates to blame?
You don't need to rank me as a member of a sect or group. I download pirates even more than I buy licenses (as I wrote above). It’s just that I’m smiling at an attempt to justify piracy in any way that pleases me. I don’t do it, I know that it’s bad and I don’t make a universal evil out of companies.

Warrior of Morgoth
Well, well, and then we cry, and we wonder - why RPG in the last such slag comes out, or there is no Russian voice acting, or localization.

It is easy to understand and accept the pirates' point of view as correct, because they have a logical explanation and an iron argument
* I did not spend on a purchase, stayed with my own people *
A person uses software or a game without spending a certain amount of money. The benefits are obvious. If he has unlimited, then it is more profitable at times. In the language of practice
* right here and now I personally saved so much of my money *

Understanding the motives and arguments of the defenders of the license is difficult, due to the lack of specifics. What does buying a license give them for reasons * here and now *? Essentially nothing.
The ability to play the game on the first day has long lost its meaning, because the game will be completed with patches only after a few months.
The ability to immediately update the game, get a patch is also not something * WOW! AFIGET! *, Because the same updates and patches are literally shoved in batches into pirates.
It turns out that there is no specific benefit to the person who personally bought the license, even if he buys the game at a sale.
I draw an analogy with the situation of cheating. The cheater's argument is simple and straightforward
* it's easier and easier to play, some in-game achievements are much faster * - There is a personal benefit here.
The arguments of honest players are very vague
* you have to play honestly, cheating is bad, blah blah blah * - in fact, some kind of theoretical ghostly * if only *
In fact, the cheater benefits from the category * right here and now *, and an honest player lives according to some moral principles, without specifics, but it is more interesting for him to play. Note - it is more interesting to play the same game, which is played with no less interest, but more easily by a cheater!
In South Korea, they can go to jail for using cheats in online games, and in North Carolina, the cheater can face a very large fine. But in Italy or Kazakhstan there is no criminal liability for cheating.
In Germany or Japan, you can easily go to jail or pay a huge fine for downloading and using pirates, but in Mexico or Russia there is no criminal responsibility for this.
I agree with the opinion of those who voiced the essence
* if, according to the law of your country, it is not prohibited, then you can therefore use a pirate, well, or a cheat *
because when using their specific personal benefit is obvious, right here and now.
ZY I don't really like single-player games, I am practically not interested in them, except perhaps for exceptional masterpieces like Skyrims and Witchers, and even those I always only download. I buy paid online games or those containing a cooperative mode right on the release. If there is an opportunity to donate, then at first, and a lot. I cheat viciously, and I use paid cheats in Kaes, PUBG. warface, wartander, cold, farkrae 5, forest and battle.

Dragon Lore wrote:
* if it is not prohibited by the law of your country, then you can use pirate, or cheat *
I got a little confused and read about software faces. agreement that every digital product has. So, its violation is regulated by article 1250 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation and 1252 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation, administrative - Art. 7.12, criminal offense - 146, 272 and 273 Art. So, not with impunity, if you are a citizen of the Russian Federation)

Although even the very wording "if not prohibited, then you can" is still a game, given certain nuances ...

Dragon Lore wrote: The
ability to immediately update the game, get a patch is also nothing -that * WOW! AFIGET! *, Because the same updates and patches are literally shoved in batches into pirates.
If this is the GOG version, then yes. If not, one way or another, you will receive the patch later, or when the corresponding version is broken (again, it is not known how long to wait). It's about official patches, of course

It was always interesting for me to know the opinion of opponents of the presence of defenses in games. Here the citizen has an apartment and a car. A citizen on the forum shouts: it makes no sense to put protection at all, and those developers who put the protection of scum and scoundrels and a game with Denuvo will never buy. I would like to ask a citizen: "do you put the car on the alarm and close the apartment with a key when you leave the house?" Surely such a citizen will immediately cry and begin to lament that this is something completely different.

dilat
dilat wrote:
I got a little confused and read about
dilat wrote:
violation is regulated by article
dilat wrote:
if you are a citizen of the Russian Federation)
I selected these parts for a reason, I hope you understand the essence. What I will write is indirectly related to the law on piracy, but directly to the laws of the Russian Federation. The trick is that we have many laws on paper, even more different norms and standards, but only on paper. In fact, there are several ways to circumvent one law, and the norms and standards are so twofold that a dozen hellish lawyers cannot prove it. Even if the violation of something is harmful to people's health, according to the laws and approved norms, this is bypassed with us without problems. I will not elaborate on the forum, as it will get out of the scope of the topic. He just smiled bitterly about the articles and the Russian Federation. Although, you are not in vain confused and spent time studying this or that law. It's still better to know than not to know;)

Protocol10,
based on your example, imagine that you bought a smart home with a cool AI, but the house keys are not stored with you (you do not have them convenient for you), but the AI ​​decides whether to let in or not to let you into the house. and after say 20 years you cannot get into your house because ai has expired. the servers on which your data was located no longer exist. (you agreed with everything by checking the license agreement) you need to either outbid the house so that another company would be engaged in its maintenance, or buy another modern house or peck-pitch illegally sink into it through the chimney with the help of a boarding crack.
therefore, from the point of view of consumer interest, this protection in games is defined poorly.
but it arose as a natural reaction to objective reasons, therefore, in the utopian world of the epic world, the doors should not be closed. but then they began to be bolted from the bear and then from the amateur to take everything and not give anything to the complex cranked lock and then in the gloomy future of 2077 miniguns began to protrude from the walls and shoot everyone.

MunchkiN 616 The
question is in the availability of protection in principle. Why put it in a house or a car at all? It doesn't matter the electronic key, physically, etc. It doesn't matter. Since you started the example with protection, it turns out that you already mean and agree that it is necessary to protect someone's property in some way. I'm just talking about the fact that people are against protecting someone else's, but if it comes to protecting their own property, then, of course, this dramatically changes the matter.

Protocol10
above I gave an example with Starforce - for example, by that. (in Windows 10 security rum will no longer work). and this is not a problem of the game code as such due to its obsolescence, if you do not consider the game as a whole product.
in the same way, sooner or later, all games with verification of online activations will not work and, as a maximum, the games themselves and software will not be available. even if we assume that the user will have a working adequate computer, in this case he will not be able to run the game on it in a licensed manner. though many years later it will be able to here.
therefore, it is a debatable issue of conflicts of interest between the consumer and the manufacturer and some trade-offs. I have on this occasion which principles by which I believe that the short-term benefit of the consumer is more important than my interests and the line of compromise runs along the dividing line of full online, dependent on cloud technologies in terms of the suitability of the minimum software operation. thus I give up all games that require constant online. (in fact, this is due to the fact that I assume that, if necessary, I can still restore access to the game in an illegal peck-peck way) someone may have this border in a different place and he may refuse other dm, denuvs, and buy games only in gogh, for example. or sit without games and donate only streamers, for example.

MunchkiN 616
Yes, this is not important, in fact, I wrote about something else, but okay ...

Protocol10
what about then? it is clear that a certain copyright holder is trying to protect his profits in this way. the consumer wants everything to be reliable, convenient and safe. because the cd-disk in the drive and the related problems are not very convenient and pleasant, and this is a topic for discussion and heading for gold. those the producer does not care about his consumer and the latter is indignant.
somewhere there is a pirate running around and outbid, who does not want to pay for gold and who wants to return gold against the interests of the producer, respectively, from which, in theory, protection is sealed. their opinion and interests in this matter are not taken into account in any way, and they themselves do not mentally exist in the field of the space of the flow of thought.

MunchkiN 616
about why put the signaling on cars) when they work, they annoy and, for example, do not allow you to sleep. If they want to steal, they will still steal, so what's the point of putting it? Why close the door? Who wants to hack anyway. Why attach a big one on a chain? Whoever wants to steal will steal it anyway.

Protocol10,
in my opinion, the answer is obvious - because if the car was on the principle of sat down and went, then often in the morning someone's condom hung on the steering wheel and the car lived some kind of life of its own. and then maybe it disappeared altogether or was not on time. this is a bright alternative communard future, by the way, peck-peck.
alarms, locks, traps and a screwed-on steering wheel are placed for basic protection and a user with special skills can use such a machine, which will reduce the likely amount of unpleasant things described above. but this position with the machine is applicable purely to the display of the copyright holder of the software and not the user of the software. in the case of a car, the owner of the car is the owner of the car. a real car manufacturer pursues some of its interests in order to create a situation for a more successful sale of its new cars (for example, severely limiting its physical resource unjustifiably relative to the cost of selling a huge resource subject to wear and tear of elements). or here you need to consider the situation - you are renting a car. therefore the analogy and example are not very good.