Small upgrade

TwinFrozr wrote:
Yes, what do you think that his power supply is as ancient as the shit of a mammoth, generally speak in this style.
Now it is clear what confused you. Let me explain. The -5V line was used (for the ISA bus) in the ATX12V PSU up to version 1.2. Starting from 1.2, it is not necessary to have such a line. In older versions, ATX12V is completely absent. Accordingly, the power supply unit for which such a line is available is very old.
All PSUs have a weak point - capacitors, which limit their service life. They are "consumables" and wear out over time (depends on the quality of these capacitors and on the conditions of their "operation"). If we talk about capacitors at the output of the PSU, then when they wear out, the level of voltage ripples increases. We have the following: if overvoltage protection (OVP) and undervoltage protection (UVP) are implemented in a power supply, then at a certain load level (and less than initially "out of the box" for a particular power supply), the specified protections will be triggered. And with further wear and tear of the capacitors with less and less load. Some people incorrectly take this moment for "power supply sagging over time". If there are no such protections (and what protections are implemented in the considered power supply unit - I do not know), then all this "arrives" on the components. The place of filtration is transferred from the output of the power supply unit to the input of components with subsequent slow wear already in the input filters of these same components. Therefore, I indicated
hrdCore wrote:
what is the state of his capacitors is still a question.
And to determine the level of ripple, you need an oscilloscope.
PS But these details are already more for the topic "The choice of PC power systems (PSU, UPS) and problems with it"

hrdCoreI'm actually aware of both the -5V line and about and about capacitors that degrade, dry out, swell and even explode and flow over time. But I was not at all confused by what you said about the state of the kander, but by the fact that you in fact questioned that 22A on the 12V line would be able to power its config, which is why I wrote about my power supply unit, which at 16A can run a similar config not to mention its 22A power supply. Even if the kandera are slightly pranks there, the power supply unit will still be able to power the 7770 without problems, since its 5670 vidyaha consumes only 20W less than the 7770.

X_ray_83 Actually, Petrosyan is exactly you, since I said that 7850 (and not 7770) is much better than 5870, so take the logs out of your eyes and at the same time look at your graph where 7850 is screwing your hot 40 nm squalor into the trash on the ancient VLIW architecture called Radeon 5870

There is a lot of reasoning about the
power supply , which I do not understand) I am only interested in one thing, can I put 7770, and connect an additional 6 pin power supply?)
As I understand it TwinFrozr claims that it is possible, but hrdCore is not sure.
And I understood from the X_ray_83 graph that the 5870 shows better results by 2 - 5 fps. But in terms of energy consumption, it is much more voracious. Therefore, the best choice is 7770. Well, or 7750 for extreme ...

imgrc = GsxTBjy6vJjI6M% 3A) If it is not on the unit or bundled with the video, then buy an adapter it costs about 30 UAH http://olx.ua/elektronika/kompyutery/komplektuyuschie/q-pin-molex/. And 5870 is an ancient hot vidyah on the old VLIW architecture and on the old 40 nm process technology, which is slightly more productive than the 7770, but it consumes much more energy and, accordingly, heats up and makes much more noise, and, accordingly, the probability of breakage is much higher (chip "blade") and besides the price for it is higher, there is no sense in it, those 2-5 fps will not cover many of the shortcomings that I have listed.

TwinFrozr
I had 750 WITHOUT Tee from Gigabytes. 2 GB of video. Nice quiet. According to tests, it was almost not inferior to the version of Ti

evgeny.astrakhantseff The performance of the TI is much higher than the usual 750 http://www.overclockers.ua/video/geforce-gtx750-asus-phoc-1gd5/all/ and the price is as much as five (!) dollars more expensive http: // hard. rozetka.com.ua/videocards/c80087/producer=zotac;21330=54280/ So it's better to take a stub in the face of an ordinary GTX 750 or maybe still fork out for five bucks and take a full-fledged GTX 750TI, and not some stub like do you think?

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
My computer would suit you perfectly: an FX 6300 processor, a GTX 660 Ti video, 8 GB of RAM. Draws modern games at high settings in a resolution of 1920x1080. I will sell in August.

TwinFrozr
I have 2 wires sticking out of the power supply unit, just 6pin one of them. I didn’t even know this before))
Ok, so I’ll buy 7770 as I’ll sell mine) but they don’t want to take mine 5670)))))
Purple giraffe
Thank you, but at least we are in different countries)


oh yes, I still have some mother, ASRock N68C-S UCC, if I'm not mistaken, there is support for socket am2, and am3. respectively, you can memory or ddr2 or ddr3.
I have a 4 GB bar, like ddr3 1330. will not be a problem to insert another 4GB of the same? mother supports up to 8GB

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik Well, you see how well everything turns out. And for how much do you sell yours and what kind of video do you have, what company and model? The sane price of 5670 at a flea market for a 512 MB version is no more than UAH 800, for a large amount I would not buy.

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik Your motherboard supports dual-channel DDR3, which means that you can add one more DDR3 bar for 4GB, put the bar in the same color slot and everything will work fine without problems, just do not buy DDR2, otherwise different types of memory do not work at the same time ...

TwinFrozr wrote:
you essentially questioned that 22A on the 12V line would be able to power his confit,
Which one of my comments?
I pointed out that
hrdCore wrote:
PSU is not more than ~ 290 W
And it is indicated on it. Is not it so?
TwinFrozr wrote:
Even if there are kanders who have played a little, then the power supply unit will still be able to power the 7770 without problems, since its 5670 vidyakha consumes only 20W less than 7770
How does this contradict what I said? -
hrdCore wrote:
If there are no such protections (and what protections are implemented in the considered power supply unit - I do not know), then all this "arrives" on the components. The place of filtration is transferred from the output of the power supply unit to the input of components, followed by slow wear already in the input filters of these same components.

hrdCore There the peak power on all channels is indicated as 460W, so why don't you just write to a person who does not fumble in the power supply that his power supply will easily pull the 7770 level vidyahu? Instead, you load it with a bunch of technical terms, but the answer to the question posed is not whether the 7770 will pull its power supply unit or not, and this is what is important for him, and not at all how many watts his power supply unit can deliver through the 12W line. What for, your calculations and terms surrendered to him if he asked many times a simple question whether the power supply would pull him or not to the 7770, and instead of just answering yes, you start philosophizing about how much the 12V line will give out and about the state of his kander.

TwinFrozr
7850 is about 5870 in overclocking, there are options with good cooling. I had this card and even worked in mining, "chip blade" tell it to someone.
And the 7770 is a miserable stub with 1 gig of memory, it generally sucks on which you generally can't play anything at all, unlike the 5870, but tell me about DirectX12 ahah)))
Here's an overview of his card eats 120W, and here about some 60W you are epic storytellers)))
http://ru.gecid.com/video/sapphire_radeon_hd_5670/?s=all
So, at a maximum load of 200W, it comes out, and if you take 7770, then 150-250W comes out there, so there may be an overload
http: //www.3dnews.ru/625381/page-2.html#Overclocking, temperature, power consumption
There is an option to take 750 without ti there 200 W just comes out.
Deer wrote so much, but they don't know the power consumption of cards))))

X_ray_83 wrote:
7850 is about the level of 5870 in overclocking, there are options with good cooling. I had this card and even worked in mining, "chip blade" tell it to someone.
In overclocking, the 7850 tears the overclocked 5870 into trash, so tell your grandmother with glasses about the coolness of the overclocked 5870.
X_ray_83 wrote:
And the 7770 is a miserable stub with 1 gig of memory, it generally sucks on which you can't play anything normally, unlike 5870
You yourself provided the schedule where 7770 is a little behind 5870, despite the fact that it has many shortcomings that I have listed above, so about the "coolness in games" 5870 and "stub" again tell your grandmother with glasses, maybe at least she will believe in your stories about the "normal" game on 5870 and "slop" at 7770.

and tell me about DirectX12 ahah)))
Apparently the logs in your eyes, humorous you, our Petrosyan, do not let you see that I have never mentioned DirectX12 as an argument for the coolness of the seventh series compared to the fifth.
X_ray_83 wrote:
Here is an overview of his card eats 120W, and here about some 60W you are epic storytellers)))
So at a maximum load of 200W it comes out, and if you take 7770, then 150-250W comes out there, so there may be an overload
www .3dnews.ru / 625381 / page-2.html # Overclocking, temperature, power consumption
There is an option to take 750 without ti there 200 W just comes out.
The links that led there indicate the power consumption of the system, and not the video card, but the logs in your eyes again prevented you from seeing what it is about, so your Petrosyan tales about the "crazy" power consumption of these views and even about the "possible overload" you can tell all the same granny with glasses.
X_ray_83 wrote:
Deer wrote so much, but they don't know the power consumption of the cards))))
Golden words, so tell us the horns don't bother you?

TwinFrozr
5870 chases very well unlike 7850 ahah)) I overclocked the storyteller for mining!
"You yourself provided a graph where 7770 is slightly behind 5870"
There are refs, not ref 5870 35 fps shows the difference 10 fps you are a swamp miracle!
"The links that led there indicate the power consumption of the system"
He has a maximum of 300 units can hardly, but he rolls 300W, you need to work as an "engineer".
"Golden words, so tell us the horns don't bother you?"
Yes, yes, it's just a pity you can't buy brains, but you can only tryndet

Owner of an ultratop video card ahaha))) Write 7770 on your forehead!

X_ray_83 wrote:
5870 chases very well unlike 7850 ahah)) I ran the storyteller for mining!
You can tell your grandmother with glasses about how the 7850 "sucks chases" and how the 5870 "fucking chases" so let's go on!
X_ray_83 wrote:
There are refs, not ref 5870 35 fps shows a difference of 10 fps you are a swamp miracle!
Petrosyan you are not identifiable, are refs compared to refs or are you so stupid that you don't understand this? After all, you yourself brought the schedule as "coolness" 5870 and "sludge" 7770, so admire it!
X_ray_83 wrote:
He has a maximum block of 300 can hardly, but he rolls 300W, you have to work as an "engineer".
I pulled a block from 16A to 12V without problems, but it means that it won't pull at 22A,
X_ray_83 wrote:
Yes, it's a pity you can't buy brains, but you can only tryndet
It is a pity that you can't buy brains and it is you who can sound in vain, giving the power consumption of the entire system as a video card consumption.
X_ray_83 wrote:
Owner of ultratop video card ahaha))) Write 7770 on your forehead!
Petrosyan, you haven't taken the log out of your eyes again! Where did you see that I own the 7770? Write yourself on your forehead about the "coolness" of 5870 and the lameness of 7770!

TwinFrozr
Sapphire 5670. For 800 UAH I'm just trying to sell it) probably just nobody needs it) for the office you can find it cheaper, but for games it's weak.
Understood about the RAM
X_ray_83 Does not look like an adequate person. I hope he is wrong about the power consumption. It's just that in his own link it was written that 5670 cannot consume more than 85

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik wrote:
Sapphire 5670. For 800 UAH just trying to sell) probably just no one needs it) for the office you can find cheaper, but for games it is weak.
Understood about the RAM
It's just that there is 512 MB of memory in it, so people are in no hurry to buy it, but I think they will take it because it is quite possible to play GTA5 on it in HD at standard settings with normal FPS, a friend recently sold 9800GT 512MB for 800 UAH (he has a version without additional power supply), it is approximately equal in performance to yours, but your vidyakha will be newer and its power consumption is less. You just praise your vidyuhu, write in the title of the ad, for example, "Radeon 5670 512 MB GDDR5 does not require additional power supply" And in the ad itself write as follows "I will sell AMD Radeon 5670 Sapphire. 512 MB GDDR5, 128bit, DirectX 11. Does not require additional power supply and works with power sides from 300 W. Pulls GTA5 at standard settings " It's just that many are still sitting on ancient computers with very weak power supplies of 300-350 W and it is important for them that their block pulls the vidyahu, and when they see that the vidyahu without additional power and their power supplies will pull her, then the interest in vidyahu increases. As a matter of fact, an acquaintance was able to sell his 9800GT for 800 UAH because he indicated that it was without additional power and pulls GTA5, and the person who bought the vidyahu from him had a 350 W power supply and it was important for him that the vidyah was without additional power. And if a friend did not indicate in the announcement that his vidyaha without additional power and works with a power supply unit of 300 W, then he would probably sell it to this day. As a matter of fact, an acquaintance was able to sell his 9800GT for 800 UAH because he indicated that it was without additional power and pulls GTA5, and the person who bought the vidyahu from him had a 350 W power supply and it was important for him that the vidyah was without additional power. And if a friend did not indicate in the announcement that his vidyaha without additional power and works with a power supply unit of 300 W, then he would probably sell it to this day. As a matter of fact, an acquaintance was able to sell his 9800GT for 800 UAH because he indicated that it was without additional power and pulls GTA5, and the person who bought the vidyahu from him had a 350 W power supply and it was important for him that the vidyah was without additional power. And if a friend did not indicate in the announcement that his vidyaha without additional power and works with a power supply unit of 300 W, then he would probably sell it to this day.
Zefir4ik_kefir4ik wrote:
X_ray_83 Doesn't look like an adequate person. I hope he is wrong about the power consumption. It's just that in his own link it was written that 5670 cannot consume more than 85.
He is completely inadequate at all, he cites links as arguments where you can immediately see that he is talking complete nonsense and at the same time yelling that he is right, and I am a deer and a storyteller.

Zefir4ik_kefir4ik
You are driving just suggested to you the norms of a cheap card 5870, and you have chosen garbage here. 5870 is not close to 7770 even though ref is not ref.
TwinFrozr
"I pulled a block from 16A to 12V without any problems, but it means it won't pull at 22A, well, you and Petrosyan."
So what ? How old is he? And what kind of firm, no-name !? And if so, then there is no guarantee in anything that you "reason" there)))
"shitty chasing" 7850 and about how "fucking chasing" 5870 "
I had this card, unlike some, and overclocked there 38-40fps, how can the owner of the 7770 know this))
And if you don't have it, then you can simply advise at least 6970 which is better!
"Giving out the power consumption of the entire system as a video card consumption"
The problem of Chinese blocks is that there are numbers from the bulldozer written, well, how do you know Nuba.
"He is generally utterly inadequate, he cites links as arguments where you can immediately see that he is talking complete nonsense and at the same time yelling that he is right, and I am a deer and a storyteller"
Why nonsense !? It’s immediately obvious that I didn’t deal with the hardware, the Radeon 6870 card ... 6950 eats almost 200 watts itself without a chip, I had a cooler block than his CoolerMaster eXtreme Power 430W there 300-350 and didn’t pull a damn thing, a 300 watt nouname would pull from a dick ? Think about these words of nubin and lamer.
See enough "such" tests in the internet and they are "experts" and then write such nonsense on the forums!